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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,256 ✭✭✭eire4


    The EU is not a national government. The US is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,228 ✭✭✭pcardin




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Slightly misleading headline (unlike the Guardian to do it tbf), but interesting to see commentary from a main stream media source on these points.

    ‘A lot higher than we expected’: Russian arms production worries Europe’s planners | Russia | The Guardian

    “We still haven’t seen where is Russia’s breaking point,” said Mark Riisik, a deputy director in the policy planning department of Estonia’s defence ministry. “Basically one-third of their national budget is going on military production and on the war in Ukraine … But we don’t know when it will actually impact on society. So it’s a little bit challenging to say when will this stop.”

    Hitting oil refineries and depots is a good way to speed up the 'finding out' process.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,135 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    The Nepalise thing seems strange given the strong link between the Gurkas & UK army.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,911 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Who is the Trump mouthpiece Newstalk have on saying Russia is winning in Ukraine?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,213 ✭✭✭jmreire



    I think that the game Putin is playing is that he's still full on supporting Trump, and this is one way or doing it. For sure, Trump is taking flack because of his previous relationship with Putin, so now Putin is muddying's the waters by stating He'd prefer Biden to win. Now when Bidens supporter's start throwing Trump / Putin dirt around, Trumps team can say, " So What? Biden and Putin are buddies too!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,305 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Why can't Ukraine recruit people from such poor countries and pay them as mercenaries? Nepal hardly have a great loyalty to Russia over Ukraine?


    Boys I see Avdiivka is falling. Ukraine retreated from the Zenit fort and a few other positions. It was a heroic defence and hopefully last a little longer. I just hope Ukraine can maintain the Coke plant.


    It's also sad that if Ukraine didn't lose American support over the last few months it might never have fallen. Bodes well for the future if support ever resumes.

    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 877 ✭✭✭Stewball


    Looks like the Victory Banner will soon be raised over Avdeevka - seems to have been a big collapse on the ukrainian lines today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,772 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Other thing is maybe (just guessing) people around the world in poorer countries, a long way from Europe, not following what has been happening last few years in both Russia and Ukraine don't know/understand the kind of nuttiness Russia has descended into when they sign on.

    Their country may have had good past relations with Russia/Soviet Union before that. They may still trust the word of its agents, and may believe what they are told about getting huge amounts of cash, put in safe(r) support roles only etc. etc.

    I think Cuba already had to run them out of it for sending in recruiters with packs of lies trying to snap up mercenaries (article from last year), and now Nepal has to do similar.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,063 ✭✭✭macraignil


    Any source for this news you would like to share?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭Gerry T


    Is that all, only 7.5% of their gdp on defence ? Seen as russian gdp is only about 3.5 times that of Irl, that doesn't seem enough, would it keep pace with all the losses they have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,199 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    One of the poorest countries in the world so I'd say desperation and a hope that it might be profitable. Also don't necessarily have a very clear picture of the war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,202 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Let's say you have 2 tanks, and you send them to Ukraine. Both are destroyed. You build two more, employing a lot of people and the GDP shows a big increase in production. But you still only have 2 tanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,768 ✭✭✭flutered


    western european countrys are supplying the middle east with munitions, if they stopped supplying the middle east for three months ukraine would be in a great place



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,305 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Apparently Russia preparing another huge assault on Robotnye. Would be a shame to see Ukraine lose their counter offensive gains here. I'm still hoping they can build on them come the summer.

    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,066 ✭✭✭rogber




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,066 ✭✭✭rogber


    Ukraine and the West in general is saying how bad the situation is getting due to lack of weapons and still the boards keyboard warriors tell us, no no everything is fine it's the Russians who'll run out of men and ammo in 2 weeks, or maybe 3 weeks, cos some guy on Twitter said so....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭TokTik


    I wish. I’d love to be paid for my opinions. Not everyone loves Ukraine and Zelensky.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    It's not about "running out" but at some point when you have bled 400,000 men in pursuit of a goal you've only 20% achieved, there's a degree of math at play here. The Russian army isn't going to have zero soldiers one day, that's asinine logic, but it's about making the equation unsustainable to keep losing as many soldiers as they are for a net gain of about zero. As has been noted russian is now scrabbling for Nepalese volunteers in lieu of worrying the middle class. Clearly this isn't a war machine working with its best options anymore.

    Ukraine are hardly tripping over successes here and their supply issue is perilous close to causing serious harm but ... does anyone seriously think this Russian invasion is some unparalleled success with a distinct forced momentum? As noted already, Ukraine take a village and the offensive is a failure: Russian take the same village and it's a sure sign Russia's victory is inevitable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭TokTik


    Maybe they’ve seen how the Gurkhas were treated by the British once their usefulness was over. Joanna Lumley had to sign on and help them fight for the promises that were made to them after the Perfidious Albion dumped them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,066 ✭✭✭rogber


    We're in broad agreement. But there are still quite a few people who keep insisting some turning point leading to total Russian collapse is just around the corner, they've been predicting it since May 2022 and I still don't see it coming, after a while it sounds almost as deluded as the rightly derided 3 day war prediction.

    I always remember what the Economist defence expert said back in summer '22: neither side has the ability to win, neither side can afford to lose.

    Still the most concise and to the point summary I've heard.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,066 ✭✭✭rogber


    The 3 day war delusion and the Russia will collapse in 2 weeks delusion increasingly sound similar. As always, it's amazing how people at the extreme ends of each spectrum have a lot more in common than they'd like to think.

    As for me: I'd love to see Ukraine win and Russia hammered. I just don't see it happening and I've been proved right so far. Putin gone and regime reset in Russia is the only hope of a happy outcome



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Delusional perhaps but not without grounding. The Russian state is a total black box and it's impossible to predict its future with certainty sure: but it also can't be wide of the mark to speculate that this war - as wars have done with Russia before, time and time again - is gonna be the catalyst for collapse, regime change - or both. The clock is ticking here IMO. Russia is kinda pulling a Weekend at Bernie's at this stage: the state's functionally dead across a host of metrics, it's just being propped up by a cartel headed by a now proven delusional wannabe Tsar itching to reform "historical Russia". Coups happen fast, and I don't think any of us will see it coming - least of all Putin. He has definitely stamped out all opposition but he may want to keep an eye on his military bigwigs for one.

    Kyiv is fighting for its life and will do so I suspect to the bitter end; pure spite and gumption has turned this 3 day war into a 2+ year one and by and large that's on the Ukrainians will to persist. Even if Russian tanks rolled into Kyiv tomorrow? They're not gonna go anywhere cos then the Guerilla war / insurgency will begin and so Russians will keep dying - albeit not quite on an industrial scale.

    I always remember what the Economist defence expert said back in summer '22: neither side has the ability to win, neither side can afford to lose.

    "All Ukraine has to do" is hang on long enough 'til Russia's ability to prosecute the war runs out and I'm not sure that's as crazy or far off as you might think. That assertion isn't wrong but it doesn't factor in the reality that one side has a greater will to win than the other - a will that'll extend past the capital falling. Whereas Russia? Can it just keep going and going?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,066 ✭✭✭rogber


    Let's see what happens. I don't fully share your optimism (rotten and crazy regimes can last a lot longer than people think, plenty of recent evidence for that too... Mugabe, Assad, North Korea, Iran etc etc etc) but I'll be among thr first to raise a glass the day Putin's regime ends and is hopefully replaced by something better.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    Imagine being in your 20’s or 30’s fighting and dieing for an old dickhead who is inspired by history going back to the 9th century AD.



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