Isn’t the EU supposed to be a democracy? Not a dictatorship? Why are they forcing countries to bend to their will?
I didn't know this, i.e. that there were different specs (I know there are larger and smaller units, but up to now I figured the only difference was in capacity, or maybe speed).
I had assumed that the in scope bottles (up to 3l in size) would be redeemable at all RVMs, and that a spec was set to accommodate that. Its not like Re-turn are not aware of dimensions, its part of what they expect machines to assess.
While 3L is maybe unusual, 2L would be fairly standard. There are also 1.75L bottles, I wonder if they would work.
Re-turn may need to add a filter to their work-in-progress map. Or maybe not - this sounds like one of these consumer -or-retailer problem (nothing to do with re-turn).
This is the actual law on the matter. They have an obligation to take back all in scope items, the law doesn't say they must use the machines, never mind ones that are too small.
If you're bothered follow up with a manager, if no success there and you're really bothered you could follow up with the council who are the ones charged with prosecuting noncompliant retailers.
PART V
OBLIGATIONS OF RETAILERS
14. (1) Where a deposit under these Regulations is applicable, a retailer shall charge the deposit on the in-scope product to the customer and provide the consumer with proof of payment of the deposit.
(2) A retailer shall –
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(f) take back every in-scope bottle and in-scope container returned to it by a consumer in a manner agreed between the retailer and the approved body,
(3) (a) A retailer shall immediately reimburse the value of the original deposit paid, in a manner prescribed by the approved body, to a consumer who presents an in-scope bottle or in-scope container for return, irrespective of where the in-scope product was purchased and the deposit first paid.
One doesn't really have anything to do with the other. You can bring the cans you buy there back to any machine, it doesn't have to be where you bought them.
Lots of cans are not marked yet, it's old stock. As long as the barcode is correct the machine will accept them.
“Also, why cant people have a keytag type barcode/app, like a customer loyalty scheme, overall an app based system too, that you can either scan your tag or on phone screen bar or qr code?? and then upload any deposit return to your account?” - This would have been an excellent idea, I may have taken part in this scam if there was an app like a Revolut vault where you could put all of your return money into it and let it accumulate throughout the year, rather than queuing up for a scabby 15/30c with a voucher.
One of the biggest Tesco in Ireland in Wexford has yet to install its machines
Yet they are still charging the levy on cans that are not even marked - is this correct?
Went to my local Dunnes last night with a few 2L bottles of Coke (all which have the logo) only to find out that none of the RVM's can take a 2l bottle
was a bit shocked really thought 2l bottles would be common enough but clearly not. asked a member of staff and only thing he could say was that the machines in tesco down the road take the 2l bottles.
They lied’: plastics producers deceived public about recycling
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/15/recycling-plastics-producers-report
i agree that this scheme will in the long run probably be a so-called "success", but i dont think it will overall be a net positive. between this the sugar tax, the minimum unit pricing on alcohol, the latte tax & other similar schemes the past few years i think it's a bit of a tipping point for most people somewhat amicable to the environmental cause/green politics. the fact that nearly every do-good policy has to punch down in some way (in either time or money) on regular folks instead of the global multinational companies & governments that overwhelming cause the harm.
take one example, if you walked into the confectionary section (and other sections but confectionary is one of the worst) of any shop, you'll notice a huge percent of plastic packaging is nothing more than empty material to take up as much shelf space or to help display/advertise the product. imagine how much plastic would be avoided it companies were told they can't use more than a certain percent needed to package the product? surely stopping plastic the source would be more useful than the majority of environmental policies that get enacted but would involv too much punching up & not enough punishing ordinary people
have you been livng under a rock the past decade? there's a massive housing crisis in ireland & it's very common for houses to be crowded with adult renters. i live in a 4 bedroom house with 5 adults (dining room is also a bedroom). it really shoulnd't be that hard to grasp that extra storage space often isn't easy to come by
Hello guys, just got back. Went to Lidl earlier to feed the RVM a bunch of cans, and have some interesting update.
Redeemed fed the machine 2 giant bags of cans and got €11.70! sadly no camera this time, but to make up for it i do have a story/update on the whole "trash bags of recyclables being left behind" situation that most people on here were expressing concerns about.
Anyway there was a couple cans left in my bag that the machine would'nt accept, like about roughly just 10 cans give or take.
i was talking to one of the staff and inquired if there would be any plans for bins to be placed near there in the future for rejected cans/bottles. he told me he had no idea and that i can "just leave (my) bag near the machine, aslong as there's nothing leaking in the bag it should be grand so" i told him no thanks and said that i don't feel comfortable just leaving my cans behind, and i don't think other people should be doing it either. he said to me "thats not your problem so don't worry about it, we'll get around to sorting it". i left with my cans, passed by a few hours later and still seen one of the other bags someone had left there earlier.
Going by what they told me, it's their problem and we shouldnt worry about it, and should just let them deal with it? or perhaps this one worker does'nt speak for behalf of the whole store? what do you think?
After talking to some people about this it turns out they had been getting the same similar answers from other staff members too. Perhaps this is just the one particular store, or applies to all stores? still quite the puzzler.
it feels like dropping the bags off is the way to go, unless they say otherwise. or begin putting up no dumping signs. Until then its kind of assumed its allowed and all good. i guess its personal choice, until they decide to give a policy surrounding it. or a bin.
Just go away. You have nothing of substance to contribute here just ridiculous diatribes.
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Yes but how much do they get? Is it enough to cover all the hassle with people dumping non compliant stuff beside the machine, staff Costs to keep it running and clean and customer complaints and queries.
If you've bought an rVM makes no sense not to make sure its working. You are getting paid for every bottle that comes back as the retailer
Actually since there is an obligation on the retailers to accept returns if they don't have a specific exemption, does that mean if the machines are out of order they have to manually accept returns? There's no rule they must use the machines, that's just their choice to avoid staff having to deal with it.
So if the machines are out of service and you turn up with a big bag of logoed cans surely you can't be refused your refund? The retailer has an obligation to accept them?
The cheerleaders here for the scheme some of which are either in the industry or related to it like to talk down to anyone who might question the scheme by calling them angry men so they sit well on their high horses.
LOL, I'm not angry one bit. In fact I'm smiling :)
I just like questioning wild assertions passed off as facts!!
Isn't that quite reasonable? You would do the same I hope.
Local shop here with re turn machine on cleaning and out of service anytime I look at it.
It appears the non franchise retailers are just going to make it as hard as possible to return to avoid the hassle of it.
There'll be 1m a day paid in when all in scope products are appropriately barcoded. Two weeks in and the majority of potentially in scope products I'm buying are already in scope.
This is an absolutely pointless, pedantic, Very Angry Man diversion away from the point.
You have long since gone beyond being worth interacting with.
So did you misrepresent the current reality then so when you stated above "Considering there's about 1m a day in deposits being paid in....."
Was there €1m paid in deposits yesterday or any of the previous 13 days?
Given out publicly and often, considering there's 5m in scope items sold a day its going to be about that figure as soon as everything is barcoded.
Only in your wildest fantasies will return rates be below 50% (and that's me being very generous with taking 'the bulk' as 50%+1).
Your predicted, globally unique, failure is just not going to happen, you make yourself look angrier and more obsessed each time you bang the "it'll all fail" drum.
"Considering there's about 1m a day in deposits being paid in"
What?? Where did you get this figure? If true and I kinda doubt it, it's an absolute scandal as the bulk of these will never see a RVM machine. Money for old rope. Where is Foley these days? Gone very quiet on the media, must be too busy counting the dosh and collecting the 'litter' left behind at his machines.
Not so crazy when you consider Re-Turn are pocketing 300k of it in unclaimed deposits.
And it's the literal law.
Chit Ching!!!!
That's not what I said about how the price was displayed in store.
I only had one DRS item, but the receipt lists one Deposit paid @.25c and a total sum of the same amount.
I don't think Lidl would be non-compliant. However, I think their new digital price signs are very poorly designed with the bad design impacting on legibility of unit of measurement price per kg/per litre. It's tiny.
€1m a day in deposits being paid in!? That's seems crazy.
Christ almighty what side of the bed did you get out this morning? OK you don't agree with someone's perspective. Get over it
Well said and I will point and several other posters have commented that bin charges have been increased.
Some people are clearly very passionate about this scheme and are not seeing the flaws others have pointed out.
I think most reasonable people will see it for what it is - a waste of their time or money, and all for no advantage to them or “the environment”. It’s punishment for all - especially those who already recycled everything possible.
This is not going to drive up our recycling rates. In fact, it will probably have the opposite effect. Plus bin charges likely now to increase because of it.
The existence of this scheme is telling us that green/blue bin recycling is not good enough.
I'm already thinking what's the point for existing recycling. If something is too much effort for me to wash out for recycling now, sorry - but it's going in the black bin. Recycing is only getting incinerated/going to landfill/going to some 3rd world county anyways.
Well, that ain't my problem. Sort this out and you have your solution.
Was in Tesco Express getting the Meal deals Sambo , crisps and a new logo Pepsi Max X2
Receipt says deposit on 2 x cans of x amount as forget what charges it said.
1 Ltr of juice added a deposit at the till not looked for logo yet.
They will be put aside for return into a different container.
Noticed by the Door plastic take back hard and soft in a new bin , assuming crisps biscuits and other stuff now diverted from landfill and cling film. I will keep that stuff aside for this bin. + they have a bin in store for older rejected cans.
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