And your point is
I have a lad conning to me since transition year ….doing leaving cert this year don’t have him during week because he’s studying …comes weekends to give me a hand in mornings …..his brother is in transition twar this year he come on every evening after school for 2 hours ….both well paid and looked after for there age …great to work too ….pity there ain’t more like them …..lots of lads out there to do work as long as you don’t treat them like dirt ….they brought on friends of there’s last summer to strip and cover silage pits …drank all my cider and got them a takeaway after and all paid too ….they were delighted with the cider and takeaway and the money was a bonus ….told me going aaay if I ever needed them for anything again let them now ……and restock the fridge with cider !!
I’m tierd maby a tad cranky …the weather is shite …..but fook me your some pain in the hole and clearly just shite stirring here ….anyways apologies if anyone else takes offence to that 😎
With that it's starting to look like all year milking
That would be correct, but per hour worked must be added
Is the compact spring calving model a flawed model? Savage work for a couple of months and then most farms can't justify keeping on the staff for the remainder of the year. It's not very attractive from an employees point of view. Since labour has gone scarce/expensive, has anyone done the sums recently on a more spread out calving? Less pressure with calves too and no glut.
If your such a great man at making money you should have a huge profit every year why did u not buy landa few years ago when it was 5k to 10k surely if u dont invest in biludings you should have been able
On a short term basis only
Well the trick is to rent land to grow the business so when the opportunity to purchase comes along you are able to take it on.
Also there is the capital gain on owned land, look back a few years land could be bought for 10000 an acre, now it is worth 20000.
Looking back land was always a good investment.
Actually the majority of dispersed herds in the last few years were herds 60-100 who had really high ebi herds- some with bulls in Ai but in reality the cow they had wasn’t effecient
No I’m talking return on investment on land purchase vs land rental
20000 an acre over 20 years will cost you 31500 an acre with interest- add tax to the 20000 at 46% because unfortunately going forward you won’t be able to hide the repayments so every penny you pay off minus interest allowance( that’s why the 46% is based on 20000 not the 31500) will be taxable so the 20000 an acre actually costs you 40000 an acre by the time it’s paid off
now you rent land on long term agreement at 275-300 an acre and it’s totally tax deductible- your able to have as much spare money for other things as you like
so I acre over 20 years is costing 40000
Or you can rent and make money from 7 acres of land for ever 1 you buy
now consider the goal is profit of 1000/acre farmed- by renting you actually leave yourself in a better financial situation to buy in a few years
Isnt that the theory of greenfields and look at how that turned out.Topless cubicle and the like.
The 2 lads and.myself were discussing how you would know a.good farmer and put foward different criteria in terms of farmyard ,numbers ,gear kpi s etc.i said there's really only one -milk in the tank with the least amount spent.
Lad it cant be done the majority of dispersals are where lads were over reliant on land rent if your talking return on investment train to be a plumber buy a few tools couple of grand make 100 euro hour no cost
There’s a better return on investment by paying 400 an acre than there is by buying land at 20k an acre
They always do at that age 😃it brings a smile to my face when they are happy with the days wages or whatever time they are being paid for.
It's great satisfaction with a lad who is keen and willing to learn 👍 as you've described
20 a hour here for general work and 35 milking and the two lads I have are after getting brutal for actually wanting the work anymore, one lad done a evening milking, the other wasn't around at all this week both told to come whenever their available, labour will be the hill dairying expansion/current milkpool been retained dies on, the staff just aren't their, and other handier job options available
The lad I had here this week is 16. Not from a farm but willing to learn and ask questions. I paid him Friday evening. You'd think he won the lotto.
How much per hour do you offer for casual labour?
The ifj is ful of know alls every week itiv give full farm facts theres my proof of who get students.
Inspired Allan Savoury to create holistic management & planned grazing.
Dunno why I'm responding but here goes, what did you offer to pay when you went looking for students? How do you know what anyone else circumstances are or how any other place is run? Grand having differing opinions but coming out with what you say as constantly right, while running down others is no way to have a conversation. Perhaps look inside your own gate before disparaging others
A better idea is get cheap labour like alps sit in house then boast how much work this cheap labour can do and say its infectious did u ever hear the like such waffle
Well no way cud it be rigged.poster boys seem lucky always.Now theres plenty of other serious operators who students cud learn from.
You'd be as well off renting out the place.
Well i think i do i bought a serious amount of land over the years im not in derogation any student cud learn from me not like some of the muppets give 400 euro plus for land with no facilities and yards likeva bomb zone
So how much are you paying this french man what is the process to get students and why do some farmers get two.Wasnt there big drama in kerry last year where students werent treated properly.Your just on here boasting of the great worker you have there student on farms to learn not get trough as much work as you can fire at the them
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To be fair, even Irish lads get it hard to get into her bay.
The mad thing is paddock grazing was promoted and perfected by a French man called Andre Voisin.
The Irish authorities even had Andre in Ireland to learn from how this rotational paddock grazing worked.
The native is never appreciated in his homeland.
So you’re getting onto alps because he has “cheap labour “ but you have looked for it too ?
I was a student once. Learned lots good and bad. My 2 nd farm placement the farmer paid me a very good wage and I stayed work a few days here and there for him for 2 years after
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