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    #30632
    dmcdona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,514 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121750143#Comment_121750143

    Given the support the US provides, any wavering in that will, I think, rattle Netanyahu enough.

    And that wavering of US support is already happening. Sanctioned settlers, restrictions on use of US supplied weapons, Moody's downgrade etc.

    Hostage families are rightly becoming more hostile given the 100% promises and 0% action. The confirmed death if another loved one, likely by the IDF, and the lies around it are incensing them.

    Already, 50%+ of Israelis are calling for elections. Protests are a common occurrence.

    Rafah offensive and ICJ report will be crucial. If the first goes ahead and/or the second goes badly (additional measures) I think there will be a heave.



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    #30633
    Rhea Pitiful Stationery
    Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭ Rhea Pitiful Stationery


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121749930#Comment_121749930

    Israel can't be treated with any semblance of diplomacy after this. The amount of evidence of their massacres is truly astonishing. They are not a rational actor in global affairs.

    They should be an International Pariah.



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    #30634
    dmcdona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,514 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121750236#Comment_121750236

    I agree with you mostly, but I'd like to think that many ordinary Israeli citizens are as horrified as the rest of the world. I know Israeli friends are disgusted with the actions of their government. Prior to Oct 7th they were protesting regularly at Netanyahu's proposed actions on the judiciary (which was rightly rejected).

    I'd therefore separate the warmongers from "normal" people. The warmongers and lunatic right must be dealt with either internally or via the ICC. IDF soldiers guilty of crimes must be dealt with and be seen to be dealt with.

    Ordinary Israeli citizens who know this is wrong should not pay the price for the nutters.

    No more than the average Palestinian should pay the price for Hamas.

    I think Israel is a hair's breadth from being a pariah. It may well become one. But if the nutters go and there is a determined effort to come to peace with Palestinians, it can be redeemed in the future.

    That all said, it depends what happens next - if they do go all in on Rafah, I think it'll be game over and Israel will be remembered only for Genocide in the same way Germany is remembered for the Holocaust.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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    #30635
    TelephoneTag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 ✭TelephoneTag


    Pressure needs to be put on Israel and its supporters in America.


    Boycott their businesses, heckle them on the street, call their employers, let them know what savagery and genocide they support.


    Drum them out of Democratic party, out of govt.


    We are all Palestinian because they see us as just as worthless.


    Without America, Israel will not stand.



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    #30636
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,012 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I wonder what it will take to get Israel kicked out of the Eurovision song contest? They should never have been included.



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    #30637
    Hey boy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 828 ✭✭✭Hey boy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121749342#Comment_121749342

    So you are justifying Hamas on 7th Oct.

    Your analogy has been done to death earlier in the thread loads of time. It’s rubbish because among other reasons a, it’s made up nonsense and b, the IRA were not in government, Hamas were c, Irish Govn didn’t attack the UK. Etc etc etc

    Post edited by Hey boy on


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    #30638
    nachouser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭nachouser


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/10/im-so-scared-please-come-hind-rajab-six-found-dead-in-gaza-12-days-after-cry-for-help

    Another day, another preventable death of a child.

    "Trapped in the vehicle and surrounded by her dead relatives, for three hours she pleaded with the Red Crescent to save her."



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    #30639
    Sudden Valley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,320 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121750649#Comment_121750649

    She is just collateral damage to some posters here. It is so sad young kids are killed like this.



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    #30640
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,301 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121750675#Comment_121750675

    According to some she is Hamas because 17 years ago Hamas were "voted" into power (they werent) and therefore it's her own fault.



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    #30641
    Ronan|Raven
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,164 ✭✭✭Ronan|Raven


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121749591#Comment_121749591

    We live in a shameful world and worse it is getting.

    For a nation and people that suffered so much at the hands of the Nazis their actions at times are not that much different.



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    #30642
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,012 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cw4qe491pj7o


    5 km long...

    Meanwhile in Australia, a Jewish couple are moaning about having been outed on a forum, putting their lives in 'danger'.

    Hang on a sec while I look for my special reserve bottle of crocodile tears so I can weep for them with a appropriate sincerity.



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    #30643
    Luna84
    Site Banned Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭Luna84
    Mentally Insane User


    How many tanks have Hamas destroyed or damaged? Hopefully a lot more with Israeli solders going straight to hell from the attack.

    I've watched countless videos of RPG style weapons firing at the supposedly invincible tanks that has anti rocket protection.



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    #30644
    Luna84
    Site Banned Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭Luna84
    Mentally Insane User


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121750777#Comment_121750777

    They have been riding that wave since the end of WWII.



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    #30645
    dmcdona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,514 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    ...

    https://twitter.com/amwogakhalwale/status/1741842955059523653




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    #30646
    Luna84
    Site Banned Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭Luna84
    Mentally Insane User


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121750985#Comment_121750985

    Scumbags.



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    #30647
    rogber
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,066 ✭✭✭rogber


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121750649#Comment_121750649

    When Hamas does it it's a massacre, when Israel does it it's collateral damage.

    The IDF at this stage is really not far from the Russian army in terms of brutality

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68261286




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    #30648
    Luna84
    Site Banned Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭Luna84
    Mentally Insane User


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121751020#Comment_121751020

    When Hamas does it it's a massacre

    The mad thing is and people must have been living under a rock for the past number of decades this 7th attack was not a spur of the moment attack this was built up frustration by the Palestinians from getting bombed and family and friends dying at the hands of Israel, mass evictions from their homes and dealing with loyalist settlers from Israel.



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    #30649
    Hey boy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 828 ✭✭✭Hey boy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121749982#Comment_121749982

    No terrorist attacks even acknowledged.

    It would be much easier to take what you say seriously if there was some recognition of the terrorist/rocket attacks but no, it’s all Israel’s fault.

    If it had “security in full” Oct 7th would not have happened. Nor would there be any rocket attacks or stabblings or vehicle attacks etc. Unless of course Israel planned the attacks on itself as some here have suggested previously…



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    #30650
    Hey boy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 828 ✭✭✭Hey boy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121750666#Comment_121750666

    So you are justifying Hamas attacks.

    Your definition of the word “resisting” is clearly different to mine. Hamas lovers and supporters are not the type to engage in constructive discussion so please don’t engage with me again thank you.



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    #30651
    rogber
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,066 ✭✭✭rogber


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121751032#Comment_121751032

    Of course but that does not justify in any way the vicious nature of the Hamas attack, including sadistic torture and sexual assault.

    It was a horrendous crime, just like the IDF is guilty of horrendous crimes.



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    #30652
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,749 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Irish media obsessed over Joe Biden's mental facilities while ignoring his support for Israel.



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    #30653
    volchitsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,137 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121751240#Comment_121751240

    Don't know how you can think that, when you are responding to a poster who was responding directly to a justification of the Oct 7th massacres. There's at least one other on the previous page too.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



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    #30654
    Luna84
    Site Banned Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭Luna84
    Mentally Insane User


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121751289#Comment_121751289

    And killing close to 30,000 civilians is ok in your eyes?



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    #30655
    suvigirl
    Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121751367#Comment_121751367

    So giving a reason why civilians are being killed in Gaza, isn't justifying it either then.



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    #30656
    Sudden Valley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,320 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121751385#Comment_121751385

    I think it is justifying it and that is the approach by most of the pro israeli posters here. They do well in never responding to posts about individual kids under the age of 6 being killed by the idf.



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    #30657
    volchitsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,137 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121751367#Comment_121751367

    So when the reply to "You are justifying the October 7th attack" is "Resisting a colonialist State, an aggressive capitalist entity is not crime" can you please explain to me how that is NOT justifying it?

    I can't see any other way to read that particular reply to that particular post. Post 31099, in case you wish to check that I'm quoting correctly. Given your biased generalisation above.

    Unless you also think that October 7th was not a crime?

    Except it was. In any law on warfare, it clearly was.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



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    #30658
    volchitsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,137 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121751362#Comment_121751362

    Killing even one civilian is not ok, but that is what happens in a war. And this is a war that Hamas started, knowing that Gazans would be killed as a result. In fact it's certainly what Hamas wanted.

    It's also what Iran and Russia wanted. They must be delighted that it has all succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. Thanks in no small part to useful idiots shouting about "Genocide Joe" and blaming the Jews for being massacred.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



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    #30659
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,680 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121751437#Comment_121751437

    And remember, @Weepsie claimed earlier 'No one supports Hamas', despite the reality that many do, including here.



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    #30660
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,018 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121751033#Comment_121751033


    israel were aware that the october attack was going to take place.

    instead of securing the border, they threw it open and let it happen.

    the hamas rockets mostly fail because they are crap and because the iron dome sometimes helps.

    israel's security is generally fine, they have full security, it's government, military, supporters and hasbara shills just want to play the victim instead of taking responsibility for their behaviour.

    israel has lost.

    lost the information war, lost plenty of soldiers, have killed many of the hostages, have been proven to be liers, have killed few hamas millitants and will not destroy hamas who wiill remain in charge of gaza.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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    #30661
    nachouser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭nachouser


    The evening crew are are here, I see. Deflectors? Assemble!



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