Seems we are doing quite well!
Recycling and Recovery in 2022
In 2022, Repak and Ireland achieved a recycling rate of 63% and recovery rate of 95%.
Repak funded the recycling and recovery of 1,115,042 tonnes of packaging material – surpassing the one million tonnage mark for the fourth time. 759,149 tonnes in total were recycled in 2022 - a 6% increase on 2021.
All key materials surpassed current EU recycling targets: Glass at 85% (EU target 60%). Paper/Cardboard 75%, (EU target 60%). Plastic 33% (EU target 22.5%). Wood 66% (EU target 15%). Metal 69% (EU target 50%). All materials, apart from plastic are forecasted to hit the 2025 targets.
https://repak.ie/images/uploads/downloads/Repak_Annual_Report_2022.pdf
You want to disprove the collection rate they calculated go find it and give out about how they did it to them.
Yes they took the best bit from other places and created something new
Well if nobody told you personally they really messed up. I get it you like to complain even when it makes no difference and you think your view is magically the best and you should be listened to. Well I am out and you can go back to shouting at the sea
Can you state where you found that this was how they were working out the collection rate previous to now as by all accounts it's not what they did......they were not able to get accurate collection figures....
Unique to Ireland? Really? I thought it copied the bestest of the bestest?
This is another issue I have, how public was the public consultation. I never knew about it.
You know they get tonnage weight of such products out into the market and then the amount recycled so very easy to see the recycle rate.
They didn't copy another system as it is unique to Ireland but similar to some.
Your problem is you don't like the scheme and that doesn't matter it was already decided. You could have joined the public consultation if you wanted but now it is too late. You are just fighting the sea at this point
Stores use a variety of different ways to update their items so it is not as simple as Re-turn giving a standard file to all retailers. Many have to manually enter the data as nobody built a portal to consume the file. Depends on which store/chain with some waiting for a time in the future to add this functionality.
The time frame to do the work was tight
It will allow us to measure the collection rate in a more structured manner than existing schemes. Nothing else.
It will do feck all else and there are some significant detrimental effects it will have.
Hiring consultants? Really? You think that actually means anything? What exactly were consultants needed for if they were always going to copy something else anyway?
This is my biggest issue, not your fault, the lack of any attempts to enhance any existing solutions in place.
OK thank you. It seems in @[Deleted User] case, at a minimum, the website is not up to date. We don't know yet re: the RVMs.
It does seem, as a distant observation, that there is a good possibility for data to fall out of sync. I would have expected when produced register their bar code with re-turn as DRS, any the other data then flows from that (i.e. website data, RVM data, retailer resources) on a scheduled basis and without manual operations. Apologies if reading that wrong, I appreciate your input.
It will increase the recycle rate in Ireland so has merit. Not sure what issues about the past I mentioned.
They hired consultants and they disagree with you based on worldwide application of deposits. Your opinion is certainly not based on the hours they put in and I will trust them over you.
Never said anything about it being infallible in fact I pointed out that it wouldn't be. The project I worked on has absolutely no bearing on whether it was a good idea or not just it was being introduced and had to be catered for.
You are mixing up the idea and implementation to mean the same thing. It is here and there were bound to be kinks which will be sorted. They aren't like the voting machines that had to be scrapped for ignoring an issue raised before they were even implemented
I bought a Coke Zero today with same barcode and wasn't charged a deposit.
First ive heard that claim now, where have you heard the receipts used on all machines are both recyclable and compostable? They look like thermal paper to be which are usually NOT recyclable or compostable due to their BPA content.
The whole project is without merit. You outlined some of the issues with it in that post.
There was no way to enhance or improve the existing schemes which is a complete nonsense.
You may have worked on the project, tbh I have no reason not to believe you, but that doesn't make the project beyond question or aspects of it infallible.
I have to say one thing I find good about these machines is the speed at which they operate at... Bottles/cans taken and voucher printed in a matter of seconds. The voucher is both recyclable and compostable so no big deal there either
Then what is you problem? Bring it and see if it works
The manufacturer has to let Re-turn know of the barcode. Re-turn have to update their website. The store buyer has to make sure the DRS flag is on and update in the system. The RVM has to get a data upload which is mostly automatic based on the buyer information but maybe update manually.
4 points of possible user error without any software failure.
I will correct something I said as I believed it was a can as opposed to a bottle. Some Coke 500ml products got new barcodes. I doubt Coke forgot to inform Re-turn but that still leave 3 other points of human error failure
Just wondering if it's unusual or common but I've been to a Lidl store on 2 separate occasions since 1 Feb and on both times the 2 RVMs were out of order. Been to Tesco as well and the RVMs were working
@Ray Palmer I would be interested in your thoughts on where you think the problem is with @[Deleted User] Coke Zero. Even if its not your responsibility you have more knowledge than us, so you may well know.
the product has an international barcode (as confirmed by you, I think?), a deposit was charged. So far so good. i.e. That is Coke not making an error (registering the barcode as producer), and the retailer not making an error by charging the deposit.
It seems to fail when the bottle comes to Re-Turn, either on their checker or at an RVM.
Why would that be. Is it re-turns error, as I believe it probably is, or are we missing something?
Not my software and I am not responsible for the data uploaded to the RVM. This is where I show your lack of knowledge because just working on software does not make me responsible for every store/chain and their procedures. You would want to be particularly ignorant of the IT industry to assume one person working on DRS software is responsible for all stores.
When you are sweeping a street are you responsible for all streets to be swept?
Pat Magee making an absolute holy show of your "knowledge".
Also claiming not everything is 100% perfect whilst also claiming the machine is infallible.
OK
What "demonstrates" this to you?
Strangely enough, I heard Joe Duffy raise precisely this issue a few days ago.
But sure don't let fact get in the way of knocking fact-based serious news media!
Don't believe me
I don't.
I do know more on the subject than people who make up stuff here
You demonstrated quite clearly you don't.
It would give out information I don't wish to. Don't believe me. I do know more on the subject than people who make up stuff here
I didn't ask for details
I asked
What part of this have you actually worked on?
You were all too happy to tell people you worked on it but when asked a basic question you are pleading the fifth.
You do understand people have contracts that restrict the details they can give out? Me telling you more information won't validate the claim as I will still be the person giving the validation.
Your the one making claims. What I want to know is what I asked.
We will file it under spoofing.
What difference does it make? I work with software is all you need to know
I think that not having some account/app based system, makes it simpler for them, doesn't mean it makes it better for the end user OR recycling overall. It actually looks to complicate the return deposit system in favour of the system/against the recycler, if someone doesn't get their deposit returned because, it looks like its a paper based till receipt type record, aside from being outdated, it is prone to such a hardcopy system failing or running out of paper. I see someone referred to the German system and they were corrected that deposits aren't paid for, but what wasn't corrected which I think that poster have pointed out is, that they don't appear to limit recycleable materials based on a barcode. If the deposit return is based on plastic materials rather than just based on a barcode it would encourage recycling and combat some littering. Even if material is rejected as not being viable as its the wrong material, but not because it is damaged/or missing a barcode, the material should still be recyclable and refundable.
A system that is based on an account makes more sense, as the RVM means the person has to go to the shop to get a refund, thats silly itself and it seems needlessly complicated and time consuming, when it could be uploaded automatically to a persons account, where they should be able to apply for vouchers for any retailer that wants to be added, OR even any credit to be refunded to a bank account or revolut card.
Yep, just found another crappy video clip, can they not do a straightforward clip and just say which plastics are recycleable using the existing material and no. types within the mobius symbol for recycling, that website is a ridiculous mess, they are literally making it cartoonish, not straighforward and just easy to do, just like the implementation of this. I hope this is teething problems and they do some updates and take feedback rather than what I expect, dig their heels in and ignore. I don't really get why this isn't run by CoCos in conjunction with retailers either, and while I understand why very small locations wont have an RVM, hopefully they will become more widespread as the nearest one to me appears to be 15km, thats ok for me as I have a car, although Id still have to go out of my way to get to it, Id probably be better going further just so one is on my route.
