yes that is more reasonably true than what i was guessing at. Alot of people did that with 24 pack slabs of cans too.
So what happens to the potential 1000s of euro of unclaimed "deposits"?
it goes straight into Re-Turn's pocket, they consider it as another source of revenue.
i think their CEO said something about using the money to buy/build a recycling plant, but i imagine atleast some portion of the money also goes towards the operations of the scheme and costs occurred. They say that the scheme is self-funding and a convenience to everyone. They are a Not-For-Profit company by the way
There will be about 20 updates between now and then, I'm guessing the one will be "RVMs don't recognise some in-scope products please hold on to your cans and bottles for a few days so we can update the systems" or something similar. This launch has been so bad but sadly I expected it
See my post from yesterday for context
Just curious what in your opinion is the list of things they got so badly wrong? Note you have made up this statement about RVMs
Do any cafes, bars, restaurants, use cans/bottles in their provision of drink to customers?
I guess most would be using glass, but maybe not? Maybe there are places around that use the small cans of tonic, or cans of coke etc?
I wonder how they will get on storing them for return without damage.... Will they have a large haul each time?
or is there some exemption when buying wholesale... If so, will they be prevented from returning them?
Anyone know of someone in this situation that can comment?
The main issues, for me, is communication and getting the simple things wrong. We were told in the weeks and months leading up that during the transition period there would be some in scope products with the re-turn logo and some non-scope products without the logo.
What they didn't mention until after the scheme started is that there would be some in-scope without re-turn logos and what I found out yesterday is some products will have the re-turn logo, be liable for a deposit and not be accepted at RVMs.
See the image below, a deposit was paid and it clearly displays the re-turn logo but the RVM spits it back out. Interestingly searching the barcode on the checker 5060435603608 also shows it as not in-scope
I'll be switching to bottles for my beer at home I think!
They are not exempt, they will be charged deposits by their wholesaler, as the wholesaler will have been charged by the producer. If they have both dine in and takeaway, they're supposed to charge deposit on takeaway and no deposit on dine in.
It is up to the venue to decide what to do, they can either collect the cans and return to an RVM or pass the charge on to the consumer and continue to recycle whatever way they did before. I'm sure some entrepreneur will set up in busy areas collecting from restaurants etc for a fee.
Loads of places use cans for their soft drinks and plenty of restaurants & bars, especially those who stock independent/craft/micro, will have cans of beer.
So according to you that if ANY product doesn't scan in the RVM the whole system is badly implemented. There is of course going to be an odd issue with the odd item.
They didn't want people storing up items with soft-code barcodes so announced it late intentionally. Seems smart to me but you are taking it as bad communication as opposed to a sensible precaution
Vocation? Barcode looks similar to theirs
Have had that issue myself, logo on can, not on barcode checker. They jumped the gun on putting logo stock to market too so this is probably a Vocation caused issue.
Other Vocation cans, different beer, also bought over the weekend are fine so they may have not given all barcodes to re-turn.
The deposit was not clearly visible alongside the price.
Speaking of a good moan, that's what you are doing too. You couldn't just let it go, have to make an antagonistic comment on everything.
There are some cafes that use cans of soft drinks. They are few and far between though I was in one in the last 12 months but can't remember where it was, most, as you correctly say are glass bottles
I would be surprised if there were many left doing cans or pet bottles due to the extra hassle
Is this Scheme to set the benchmark for future state sponsored schemes? Seems its now OK to misinform the public, be economical with the truth. The end justifies the means eh!
Yes, vocation, that makes sense in fairness
I am still failing to see what the issue is. What is your issue? Manufacturers decided to use the same barcode and did provide the barcodes that are valid without the logo.
Try it in a RVM machine and it will work so what is your issue? The barcodes charging 15c also are in the RVM by design
Did they show a deposit on the receipt ?
If they did take it back they owe you 15c.
Ok, you didn't say it was the only thing you bought.
Still worth your while trying it in an RVM.
If that doesn't work take it back anyway they still owe you 15c.
Because they are populated with the products marked as DRS on the price files. Coke Zero is an international barcode and as such on the DRS list. Are you sure you entered it correctly? Take a picture because I don't believe you
Does it have the return logo?
You'd think wouldn't you?
Tesco selling off their cans and bottles from old stock. 24 cans Pepsi etc for €8. Big bottles €1. Long best before date. No deposit charge obviously. Very handy for impending teen parties here in this house, don't have to be minding empties to keep in prestine condition.
Returns don't need to be in pristine condition
Basically, if the barcode is readable and it looks like the right shape it'll work. I've put in dinked up from being on a backpack cans and bottles abroad - and more usefully for here, a bottle which I'd crushed then remembered had a deposit on it and pushed back to shape worked in a RVM here this morning.
Nobody is going to waste time arguing about whether a flattened can off the road had a logo / valid barcode and that's why they say "undamaged"
i had posted that idea about a week ago but then got flamed hard for it and called a conman and was told i would need a waste collection permit for commercial waste and would need to register my vehicles or something lol. it's an idea i'm still looking into, been talking to some cafe's and small family ran restaurants, have'nt tried any major franchise chains yet asides from a costa.
But yes if any of these dine-in places are willing to not charge customers a deposit and recycling the cans themself instead after pouring the contents, that may be quite handy and convenient as well as guarentee-ing that the cans are recycled without being damaged or risking having to bring them to an rvm where they can get accidentally damaged along the way. makes it more appealing and less of a hassle. no one wants to be lugging around cans after eating a meal i'd imagine.
100s of millions of Euro.
