So according to you that if ANY product doesn't scan in the RVM the whole system is badly implemented. There is of course going to be an odd issue with the odd item.
They didn't want people storing up items with soft-code barcodes so announced it late intentionally. Seems smart to me but you are taking it as bad communication as opposed to a sensible precaution
They are not exempt, they will be charged deposits by their wholesaler, as the wholesaler will have been charged by the producer. If they have both dine in and takeaway, they're supposed to charge deposit on takeaway and no deposit on dine in.
It is up to the venue to decide what to do, they can either collect the cans and return to an RVM or pass the charge on to the consumer and continue to recycle whatever way they did before. I'm sure some entrepreneur will set up in busy areas collecting from restaurants etc for a fee.
Loads of places use cans for their soft drinks and plenty of restaurants & bars, especially those who stock independent/craft/micro, will have cans of beer.
I'll be switching to bottles for my beer at home I think!
The main issues, for me, is communication and getting the simple things wrong. We were told in the weeks and months leading up that during the transition period there would be some in scope products with the re-turn logo and some non-scope products without the logo.
What they didn't mention until after the scheme started is that there would be some in-scope without re-turn logos and what I found out yesterday is some products will have the re-turn logo, be liable for a deposit and not be accepted at RVMs.
See the image below, a deposit was paid and it clearly displays the re-turn logo but the RVM spits it back out. Interestingly searching the barcode on the checker 5060435603608 also shows it as not in-scope
Do any cafes, bars, restaurants, use cans/bottles in their provision of drink to customers?
I guess most would be using glass, but maybe not? Maybe there are places around that use the small cans of tonic, or cans of coke etc?
I wonder how they will get on storing them for return without damage.... Will they have a large haul each time?
or is there some exemption when buying wholesale... If so, will they be prevented from returning them?
Anyone know of someone in this situation that can comment?
Just curious what in your opinion is the list of things they got so badly wrong? Note you have made up this statement about RVMs
There will be about 20 updates between now and then, I'm guessing the one will be "RVMs don't recognise some in-scope products please hold on to your cans and bottles for a few days so we can update the systems" or something similar. This launch has been so bad but sadly I expected it
See my post from yesterday for context
it goes straight into Re-Turn's pocket, they consider it as another source of revenue.
i think their CEO said something about using the money to buy/build a recycling plant, but i imagine atleast some portion of the money also goes towards the operations of the scheme and costs occurred. They say that the scheme is self-funding and a convenience to everyone. They are a Not-For-Profit company by the way
So what happens to the potential 1000s of euro of unclaimed "deposits"?
yes that is more reasonably true than what i was guessing at. Alot of people did that with 24 pack slabs of cans too.
People may have bulk bought water before the 1st Feb to avoid the deposit charge.
I bulk bought a few slabs of minerals for when contractors are in working on the farm as guys in tractors are not going to hand back in empty undamaged mineral cans. It’s nice on a warm day to be able to hands a nice cold drink to someone working long hours on a tractor miles from a shop.
likewise. but where is all that water gone that got taken off the shelves? dare i ask, if it has been destroyed? or wasted. its a shame to see water go to waste. even the mi-wadi was taken off the shelf. i'm unsure what the reason for it is.
i'm hoping it was donated to charity. it would be a shame if they just simply binned the water because of no logo being on it.
i would like to know what happened with it. Also you replied to my reply that was replying to someone else, rather than my reply to you?
It's all a load of bollox really. They can make crap like a TV licence enforceable, why not do the same with household waste. There is so much more worthwhile environmental things that could be done instead of this.
yet they're switching labels themselves.
You were talking about them pouring the water into bottles that have the new labels. I suggested that IF they were taking them back from the shops, they would just re-label the bottles rather than re-bottle the water. (But they are not re-labelling bottles that are already in the shops.)
I should have known better to engage with you...
Who's betting on another website update on June 5th?
The return site got updated again. Probably wouldn't have killed them to have these details added a few months ago
Should consumers be charged a deposit on a drinks container, please be assured that you will get your deposit back when you return it empty and undamaged to Reverse Vending Machine Deposit Return Points nationwide.
Starting February 1, 2024, retailers have a 4-month transition period during which they can sell both new drinks containers with the Re-turn logo and older drinks containers that do not feature this logo. During this time, drinks containers can incur a deposit in two ways:
During the transition period, there will be old drink containers without a logo and with barcode not registered with the scheme; these drinks containers will not incur a deposit charge.
From June 1, all drinks containers included in the scheme will feature the Re-turn logo and barcode. If a consumer is in any doubt about whether their container is eligible for a refund on a deposit, they can visit https://re-turn.ie/consumer/#barcodeChecker to verify
As has been mentioned numerous times before, the price without the deposit is displayed, the deposit is displayed beside it if you looked hard enough and you can still put your cans in your recycling bin. But don't let facts get in the way of a good moan
same proof they have of me switching labels.
i never said they were switching labels to begin with, someone else suggested thats all they would have to do, as opposed to filling new bottles with old water being taken off from the shelf and recalled.
you clearly musta just started randomly replying to me and not reading the actual thread itself, or where that part of the convo came from.
They are accessibility compliant.
There is no requirement for businesses to offer services in the Irish language.
I bought a few cans earlier. Price tag on the shelf says €8. When I go to pay it says €8.60, due to the 4 x 15c levy. Price tag should say €8.60, it's misleading. Now I got to store up and carry the empties back to get my 60c instead of just putting them in the recycle bin as usual.
Minimum pricing laws first and now this recycling levy. It would drive you to drink
What proof have you they are switching labels?
Excellent point! Well said.
i never said they're profiting from it. How am i acting like a 5 year old? i only pointed out the double standards.
they are being fussy and not wanting people switching labels, yet they're switching labels themselves. tell me how that is fair in 5 yr old terms
Why has no mainstream media outlet asked why the machines are legal seeing as they are not wheelchair accessible and don't support the Irish language? RTÉ would be all over it if it was a machine selling Trump hats.
The drinks manufacturer is not charging the deposit so why would they get it back.
Since you are acting like a 5 Yr old ill explain it in child terms.
The supplier of the plastic bottles may not be the same as the guy filling the bottle so I'm not sure how they are going to profit off it.
These companies making billions of pounds profit. I doubt they are going to all the trouble of relabeling bottles for a few cent.
You best put the money in the poor box as this scheme is not for PROFIT
Can you get 5L sparkling water at Tesco? Never knew that...
RVM malfunctioned on me today, can of craft beer was bought on Saturday night, has both a barcode and a Re-Turn logo... The cashier in Lidl didn't know what to do and suggested I contact re-turn...
I will update with my findings
Waste Collection Rates
I would encourage all to check their waste collection providers for current rates as I did. It seems several, as reported on here have recently raised rate as I can personally vouch for.
But but but this scheme is revenue neutral and a non profit to boot!
I've about 30 bottles/cans that don't have the logo on them but I will receive the deposit on when I return them as they are on the exemption list. I note these are all still on sale in NIRL so impact will continue.
Where is the money I will be getting back coming from, some class of a magic money tree?
