We've seen many fires now of potential new migrant centres around the country and yet not one single arrest yet.
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Abozzz
Arson is a form of protest. It's not about literal fires.
Attempting to stifle protest will, pardon the pun, enflame the protest.
Easy stuff. And with historical precedent.
This government isn't going to arrest its way out of the situation they created.
Just no idea of the past, no breeze of the future. That kind of attitude on display from some people is just...pointless, to be nice.
Cite the historical precedent
Go and read the report I mentioned for starters.
For seconds, try to engage with a thought process, rather than singular thoughts. As in, logically understanding how and why such a situation exists as a sequence.
For desserts, Eton mess.
This isn't plantation Ireland, the government is democratically elected. Your duly elected government are not some kind of oppressors. The historical reference is not a parallel.
Oh no. I'm saying the conclusion you extrapolated isn't correct cause it wasn't the question asked.
So a history of spookily accurate actions and reactions involving arson and extensed periods of political malaise/malintent is not applicable because....you say so.
Well, so much for the use of history, eh?
Some of these anti-immigration agitators are also known for protesting against other hot topics - many of them aren't just "Ireland is full" activists. A lot of them came to prominence during the covid lockdowns and flit from topic to topic. There's money to be made from this and they're not shy about looking for donations. Nobody stopped them when they hassled people working in pharmacies and covid vaccination centres. Nobody stopped them when they marched into bookshops and libraries and livestreamed their harassment of people trying to do their jobs. So far there has been little pushback against them and that has emboldened them. I'm not going to name names but if you look on Twitter, the same people pop up again again and again. There seems to be no will to arrest them.
Tell the whole history.
Gards should arrest as many arsonists who wanna arson. Put them into concentration camps if need be. Maybe they can stick'em in a hotel for confinement.
Attempt to link crackpot ideas to genuine malcontent across the country to obfuscate, insinuate there is a financial element in anti-immigration while foregoing the vast sums of money directly and blatantly involved in housing migrants during a housing crisis, and that's a wrap.
Weak stuff. Very weak.
very weak is arguing that arsonists are 'too cool to jail'
What are you even on about at this point?
Concentration camps for arsonists?
Get a grip.
What are you on about? Arsonists are folk heros who should be allowed to continue, if they're arrested two more will take their place?
You get a grip, lol
Do the crime, do the time.
If you wanna legalize arson, petition your representatives in the legislature.
I'm sure there are some people within the 66% of the population who believe Ireland has taken in too many refugees that have out there opinions on vaccines and covid but it still doesn't take away from the fact that 66% of the population believe Ireland has taken in too many refugees. I'm sure there are people within the minority who don't believe we've taken in too many refugees who have alternate views on covid and vaccines as they tend to have non scientific views on sex and gender.
And that's why those who created the situation that would inevitably lead to arson, a la irish history as I presented earlier, should do the time.
They haven't committed a crime, upholding a ratified treaty is the farthest thing from a crime. It's not "political abandonment" either. Pull another.
If anyone is seriously injured or killed as a result of this, this is not gonna reflect well on a lot of posters. A study of pre Famine Ireland is substantially different to the Ireland of today. The kind of people who favour this kind of violence have more in common with actual Nazis eg the national party. They deserve to be prosecuted and a couple of jailings might make people rethink their behavior. I'd also put money on the people doing this already having criminal convictions...
I never said anything about the numbers of refugees we've taken in. The point I was making is that many of the people now involved in these protests are well known for other agitation. Nobody arrested them previously when they should've been - the Gardai have been remarkably hands off when it comes to dealing with them. So no wonder we're now seeing widespread arson.
The rules are the rules!
If life were only so pig ignorant thick.
I'm sure there were plenty of English landlords and adjacents spitting about rules and regulations during the famine too. Bless their innocent little hearts.
And besides all that; self evidence. There was no reason for arson at a point in time, and now it occurs. What happened in-between? There's your culprit.
The comparison doesn't hold up, oink. Your elected officials are not landed gentry. Give over.
Its surprising but apparently some people are pig ignorant thick enough to think arson is inevitable.
People will be seriously injured and will be killed. The only thing that prevents such results is if the aggrieved point is dealt with and at what point.
This is not an endorsement of crime, or a hope for one. It is a simple prediction based on reason, and history if one cares to acknowledge it.
By all means, let the government go ahead and both,
1) continue apace with the aggrieved point that's creating the protestation of arson,
And
2) attempt to stifle that protest with a crackdown
Let's guess what the result will be!
You are entitled to your opinion. I'm certainly glad I don't live anywhere near you and I'm sure any self respecting migrant would echo the wish also.
Were you to go outside the law pursuing your nasty little ideas. then I would feel it a duty to myself and indeed my country to ensure you were reported and punished.
The attitudes in this thread about famine Ireland would all have shocked pikachu face trying to find a belly full of food across the pond
I guess the Yanks should have simply burned them all out of shelter, going by the attitude of Irish nationalists on here. Bonus:
A poll asking people if they would support the housing of asylum seekers in their locality would open a few eyes, its all well and good to support asylum seekers in someone else's neighbourhood, its very different supporting it in your own which we have seen with traveller accommodation up and down the Country.
Obviously not.
There's nothing in the poll that says the majority want Ireland to withdraw from the conventions Ireland signed up to regarding asylum seekers. I've no doubt if asked the majority of people woukd say we pay too much taxes, doesn't mean that everyone will vote for a party that is running on a no taxation platform.
Of course, there must be single digits of people who are unaware of the vast sums of money involved in the housing crisis, the cause of the housing crisis due to unprecedented mass migration, and the logical conclusion of vested interests.
It's all pure innocence, and mistakes and oopsie daisies, and those few people will continue to be appalled that the rest of the country has reason for anger.
What can you do?
1) create extremely predictable situation that will lead to the likes of arson in protest
2) double down on that stupidity and attempt to arrest protest while continuing the reason for protest with gay abandon
3) ?????
4) it works out
Let's see how it goes!
Not What?
Saying you're not endorsing it while pretty clearly endorsing it. Arson is no longer an acceptable means of protest. Nobody is preventing protest. A crackdown on arsonists is literally maintaining basic law and order. Honestly, you sound like you view any deaths as justifiable. I'd suspect most of the general public would disagree.
Arrest them for what? Protesting? There is a very authoratarian streak among a lot of our supposed liberal posters. Putting people in concentration camps for committing crime and arresting them for protesting.
