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Would you like to see the perpetrators of the recent arson attacks brought to justice?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭abozzz


    Arson is a form of protest. It's not about literal fires.

    Attempting to stifle protest will, pardon the pun, enflame the protest.

    Easy stuff. And with historical precedent.


    This government isn't going to arrest its way out of the situation they created.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭abozzz


    Just no idea of the past, no breeze of the future. That kind of attitude on display from some people is just...pointless, to be nice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭abozzz


    Go and read the report I mentioned for starters.

    For seconds, try to engage with a thought process, rather than singular thoughts. As in, logically understanding how and why such a situation exists as a sequence.

    For desserts, Eton mess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    This isn't plantation Ireland, the government is democratically elected. Your duly elected government are not some kind of oppressors. The historical reference is not a parallel.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,236 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Oh no. I'm saying the conclusion you extrapolated isn't correct cause it wasn't the question asked.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭abozzz


    So a history of spookily accurate actions and reactions involving arson and extensed periods of political malaise/malintent is not applicable because....you say so.

    Well, so much for the use of history, eh?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,782 ✭✭✭Tork


    Some of these anti-immigration agitators are also known for protesting against other hot topics - many of them aren't just "Ireland is full" activists. A lot of them came to prominence during the covid lockdowns and flit from topic to topic. There's money to be made from this and they're not shy about looking for donations. Nobody stopped them when they hassled people working in pharmacies and covid vaccination centres. Nobody stopped them when they marched into bookshops and libraries and livestreamed their harassment of people trying to do their jobs. So far there has been little pushback against them and that has emboldened them. I'm not going to name names but if you look on Twitter, the same people pop up again again and again. There seems to be no will to arrest them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Tell the whole history.

    Gards should arrest as many arsonists who wanna arson. Put them into concentration camps if need be. Maybe they can stick'em in a hotel for confinement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭abozzz


    Attempt to link crackpot ideas to genuine malcontent across the country to obfuscate, insinuate there is a financial element in anti-immigration while foregoing the vast sums of money directly and blatantly involved in housing migrants during a housing crisis, and that's a wrap.

    Weak stuff. Very weak.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    very weak is arguing that arsonists are 'too cool to jail'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭abozzz


    What are you even on about at this point?

    Concentration camps for arsonists?

    Get a grip.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    What are you on about? Arsonists are folk heros who should be allowed to continue, if they're arrested two more will take their place?

    You get a grip, lol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Do the crime, do the time.

    If you wanna legalize arson, petition your representatives in the legislature.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭freebritney


    I'm sure there are some people within the 66% of the population who believe Ireland has taken in too many refugees that have out there opinions on vaccines and covid but it still doesn't take away from the fact that 66% of the population believe Ireland has taken in too many refugees. I'm sure there are people within the minority who don't believe we've taken in too many refugees who have alternate views on covid and vaccines as they tend to have non scientific views on sex and gender.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    And that's why those who created the situation that would inevitably lead to arson, a la irish history as I presented earlier, should do the time.

    They haven't committed a crime, upholding a ratified treaty is the farthest thing from a crime. It's not "political abandonment" either. Pull another.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,197 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    If anyone is seriously injured or killed as a result of this, this is not gonna reflect well on a lot of posters. A study of pre Famine Ireland is substantially different to the Ireland of today. The kind of people who favour this kind of violence have more in common with actual Nazis eg the national party. They deserve to be prosecuted and a couple of jailings might make people rethink their behavior. I'd also put money on the people doing this already having criminal convictions...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,782 ✭✭✭Tork


    I never said anything about the numbers of refugees we've taken in. The point I was making is that many of the people now involved in these protests are well known for other agitation. Nobody arrested them previously when they should've been - the Gardai have been remarkably hands off when it comes to dealing with them. So no wonder we're now seeing widespread arson.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭abozzz


    The rules are the rules!

    If life were only so pig ignorant thick.

    I'm sure there were plenty of English landlords and adjacents spitting about rules and regulations during the famine too. Bless their innocent little hearts.

    And besides all that; self evidence. There was no reason for arson at a point in time, and now it occurs. What happened in-between? There's your culprit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    The comparison doesn't hold up, oink. Your elected officials are not landed gentry. Give over.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,468 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Its surprising but apparently some people are pig ignorant thick enough to think arson is inevitable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭abozzz


    People will be seriously injured and will be killed. The only thing that prevents such results is if the aggrieved point is dealt with and at what point.

    This is not an endorsement of crime, or a hope for one. It is a simple prediction based on reason, and history if one cares to acknowledge it.

    By all means, let the government go ahead and both,

    1) continue apace with the aggrieved point that's creating the protestation of arson,

    And

    2) attempt to stifle that protest with a crackdown

    Let's guess what the result will be!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 794 ✭✭✭Slightly Kwackers


    You are entitled to your opinion. I'm certainly glad I don't live anywhere near you and I'm sure any self respecting migrant would echo the wish also.

    Were you to go outside the law pursuing your nasty little ideas. then I would feel it a duty to myself and indeed my country to ensure you were reported and punished.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    The attitudes in this thread about famine Ireland would all have shocked pikachu face trying to find a belly full of food across the pond

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    I guess the Yanks should have simply burned them all out of shelter, going by the attitude of Irish nationalists on here. Bonus:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭greyday


    A poll asking people if they would support the housing of asylum seekers in their locality would open a few eyes, its all well and good to support asylum seekers in someone else's neighbourhood, its very different supporting it in your own which we have seen with traveller accommodation up and down the Country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    Obviously not.


    There's nothing in the poll that says the majority want Ireland to withdraw from the conventions Ireland signed up to regarding asylum seekers. I've no doubt if asked the majority of people woukd say we pay too much taxes, doesn't mean that everyone will vote for a party that is running on a no taxation platform.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭abozzz


    Of course, there must be single digits of people who are unaware of the vast sums of money involved in the housing crisis, the cause of the housing crisis due to unprecedented mass migration, and the logical conclusion of vested interests.

    It's all pure innocence, and mistakes and oopsie daisies, and those few people will continue to be appalled that the rest of the country has reason for anger.

    What can you do?

    1) create extremely predictable situation that will lead to the likes of arson in protest

    2) double down on that stupidity and attempt to arrest protest while continuing the reason for protest with gay abandon

    3) ?????

    4) it works out


    Let's see how it goes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92,394 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,197 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Saying you're not endorsing it while pretty clearly endorsing it. Arson is no longer an acceptable means of protest. Nobody is preventing protest. A crackdown on arsonists is literally maintaining basic law and order. Honestly, you sound like you view any deaths as justifiable. I'd suspect most of the general public would disagree.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭freebritney


    Arrest them for what? Protesting? There is a very authoratarian streak among a lot of our supposed liberal posters. Putting people in concentration camps for committing crime and arresting them for protesting.



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