RVM operater recommended this for the first 2 months or so. they said they would take back the rejected plastics provided they were not milk cartons etc
for that period of time, after which it would store problem to get rid of it, several places rejected this offer to avoid the areas around the machines becoming dumping grounds , as they do with recycle bins in public areas
had people the past few days trying to put empty cans of dog food into them, few arrived in bags of bottle they stock piled over Christmas.
fun time loading them back into their cars to bring them home. the idot with bags full had being told past 3 weeks the machines would not accepted them.
Just checked the map for my own location. In fairness everything is correct, all the RVMs I'm aware of are there, the distances are correct and listed in the expected order.
( copied from Briskoda.net )
Totally agree. Penalise those doing their bit for the environment and ignore those who don't give a shite!
I worked in Germany for a number of years, and have used the return system for glass, plastic and Al cans. I'm not against it, it does work and it becomes the norm for the people.
But here are the downsides ...
Machines were forever not working. Larger supermarkets had room for 2+ machines, and they needed them as one was always out of order.
There used to be long Q's at the machines at busy times. Many times, I just left, offering my bag of returns to someone in the Q.
If you are on foot and bring your returns in a bag or backpack and find the machine out of order, you have to carry them home again as well as your new shopping.
In the end as I didnt have spare time due to work and travelling most weekends, after a couple of months, I just put my returns into the house recycle bins.
As I previouly posted, I'd rather see the government and local authorities start by tackling fly tipping, dog poo in public and increasing public bins before we progress to the bottle & cans return system.
agreed, whole scheme needs to be redesigned in my opinion. they are way too fussy and offer people nothing in return for demanding their free help with reaching their recycle goals target.
inconviencing everyone, is their way to reaching the goal. a joke indeed!
Need more than an update. Enter my eircode and it says 4.77 km when in fact it is 27km. What a fecking joke
it's nice to know they're still updating the map and got around to adding more locations. i'm probebly gonna wait a few more days until its fully updated. as theres meant to be atleast 1800 rvm's rolled out. some locations may have 2 or 3 i'd imagine, while others have 1
Another ~140 locations on the map; and it now gives me the correct closest for my house - even though it was always there!
Still a local-ish shop that I know has RVMs in service not on the map so its still incomplete.
That's a smart set up.
Lovely response! Think what you like. I said what I saw.
yes and that was because of a specific reason, where people here or the other thread were saying otherwise and kept arguing that there was no trial. these same people also said that no one else on the forums here was ever calling them trials except for me. its a good thing i asked as i was then able to show them it was not just me calling them trials. i even said in those posts "to clear it up".
i'm not being critical of you asking me for information, you're asking me to answer something i've grown exhausted answering repeatedly to others in both threads on this topic.
Surely this being 28 pages long and the other being over 100+ are not all people commenting saying they like/agree/do not oppose the new scheme surely? that many pages don't come into existence for nothing.
I am quite happy to go and research things if needs be. Earlier you asked for information on the Lidl trial, where a quick google would get that for you. You also would have found information on the German deposit system online, but you asked here about ir So please don't be critical of people asking you for information when you also do this.
From your posts that I have read, you obviously don't agree with the system. Nothing anyone will say will change that. It does not mean you are correct in your assertions about it.
post was edited moments before your reply. please refresh and refer to that.
yeah the system is a disgrace and i along with many others have opposed it since 2 weeks back or more. And almost everyday since i have had to repeat the same things again constantly. its not a cop-out to say i feel existed from saying the same things again. People are free to go back and read as much as they like. instead of being lazy about it and expecting it to be handed to them on a silver plate upon demand/request
Ha, that's a cop out. For a start, the system was not operating two weeks ago. How then could you form the view it's a disgrace before it went live to prove your point of two weeks ago?
It's sounds to me that your view is not informed by any understanding of how these systems work, both here or other countries. You just oppose them. That's ok, it's your opinion. However, it does not mean the system is a disgrace.
pretty much, as they don't want to pay the cost. its disruptive and un-needed. its just political bullying through pricing to help reach a poltical EU recycling goal so our government can virtue signal even more. its businuess's getting the brunt end of this, and the public as usual
In the beer market, I wonder will the DRS lead to less demand for cans, and more demand for glass bottles?
after speaking on these forums and the other thread on the same topic, for like 2 weeks, one gets tired of repeating the same reasons again and again.
edit: this might be some of what you're looking for, i found it in bookmarks lol https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121686931/#Comment_121686931
Yes, but what is your reason for saying our system is a disgrace...? Still waiting to know.
I was the poster that said not everything you will read on boards (or anywhere these days) is true 😀
I know you can return German bought beer bottles on the Austrian machines and vice versa, as I have done so. They work on the shape of the item and it's a common shape in both countries. I would say the same for cans bir never tried it because bottles of beer are cheaper 😀, and the bottles don't crush like cans can (cans can 😀)
Well, one potential flaw versus other countries operating similar schemes, we seem to have very few manual return locations - our exemption very generous in size. This leaves some areas without coverage, and makes things more difficult for people who get deliveries.
Perhaps someone more familiar with the German system can clarify.
no, red sirlion whatever his name was said i must be new around here and told me that people lie on the forums, and welcomed me
answering your question, not compared to germany at all. its a disgrace period, regardless of what other counteries are doing with their schemes.
also i would like to know do germany allow outside cans from other counteries in their RVMs/deposit scheme?
It was yourself that said you were new here.
I have not read all your posts. What is the joke and disgrace about this system, compared to say the one in Germany ? Theirs works perfectly but may have suffered teething troubles at the outset.
yeah thats been cleared up now but thanks for replying to an old post. i have been told here already 3 times since, that germany does pay a deposit. it came down to someone lying on the boards, and soemone else saying i 'm new here and notifying me that not everything here is true
and yes i still hold crituque for return, i think the current scheme is a joke and a disgrace.
exactly, and thats what i wish still existed, Re-turn if they wasnt so greedy could have learned a thing or 2 from this. And would reach their 90% recycle rate targets much quicker
Click and collect. Before my local supermarkets had the facilities it was run in and grab things when I could and needed them.
So quick to post about the outrage they forgot to do the research.
When we didn't have RVM, people would post "oh imagine we had a system like Germany, excellent they are"
Now, we DO have a system like Germany. And yet you're against RVM, and make the grave error of saying "we should do it like Germany". Which is what we are doing.
German consumers pay at source too. It's called a pfand. It varies between 8c and 25c. So you've just criticised the new Irish system by using the German one as if it's some magic money thing. Yet they're the same.
Look at this 6 pack Heineken zero: it's 6.29. plus a 48cent deposit. When you scan this at the till it'd come up as 6.77. you paid a deposit on top. To retrieve that 48c, you bring the bottles back.
https://www.rewe.de/produkte/heineken-alkoholfrei-6x0-33l/3155899
I have absolutely no idea where on earth you though Germans don't pay a deposit. It's the whole point. Also you say they "give money for bottles".
Yeah....they give money for bottles marked "pfand" on them. Just like we'll be giving money for bottles with the R logo on them...
In Germany if you collect 10 bottles littering the street you can bring them back for 80cent. They'll simply "give you money". In Ireland, in a couple of months when all stock is R marked, you'll also be able to pick up ten bottles on the street and they'll give you money.
In Germany you do absolutely have to pay a deposit on your bottles and cans and glass bottles. They recently added it to milk and yoghurt products too. You’ll see it on the prices, X,XX € + Pfand
They were trials in that they paid 10c per item put through the machines. However deposits were not charged.
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