Here's one for you, pictured is a Dutch recycling icon on back of an Irish produced craft beer. Be hillarious IF IT DOESNT WORK as the last time I checked we (us and the dutch) are both in common marketplace.
Just because it's been said many times on this thread does not make it true. I would rather see a public discussion with ReTurn, waste collection companies/manufacturers of products and containers/public representives, and other experts in the field. We are exceediing current EU targets for recycling.
It's been said many times on the thread that no tweaks to the current system could get us to the recycling targets we need to reach.
Just as I suspected from your earlier post we have learnt nothing from your little outing
It’s a stupid system that won’t increase recycling rates very much if refusing to accept a perfectly appropriate recyclable material for spurious reasons (ie a barcode).
Again why can’t the machine take the can and just not give me a deposit refund if one wasn’t paid or it’s ineligible?
What happened here, is Raichu didn’t recycle the can because I wasn’t dragging it back home to pop in the blue bin.
A can I had, for the record, dragged from home just to pop into the machine for the heck of it. I was intending to give any refund to charity as that’s an option I believe.
So, here’s your lesson:
i kept a can with a view to using the machine. The machine rejected it. The can then went into general waste. The can didn’t make it to recycling. The system has failed in its very purpose to increase recycling rates.
Simple as that.
we can learn that this RVM re-turn scheme is stupid, and should give people free money back for their recycleables regardless of re-turn icon or not, and should take a page out of germanys book, where they have a high recycling rate because no one has to pay any deposit on their bottles/cans yet gets a free deposit back when returning them.
If you don't know if you paid a deposit what lesson can we learn from your experience ?
Maybe it had run out of labels 🧐
good point, this is a simular scenerio i had mentioned being a possiblilty in the other recycling/RVM thread.
i feel its a really bad idea this scheme
Options, what options does one have when like raichu above.. it won't scan. Thanks bye 👋 😘
What's the options?
Not sure if I was charged a deposit I honestly wasn’t minding.
I also don’t really care enough to go and que up at customer services for 15c I am just laughing that the machine told me to go recycle it elsewhere. 🤣
Surely makes more sense if you’re trying to reduce waste and increase recycling for the machine to simply accept the can but not give a voucher out?
That is what I’d expect the machine to do anyway. It was spat back at me and went in the bin outside the shop.
I was in my arse dragging it back home to put in the recycle bin.
But but it's a deposit system.. I mean by buying it and paying the over the odds cost from last week both sides have bought into the agreement. Unless of course 1 side is absolved of their responsibility. Like oh yeah sorry machines broken or that barcode is broke on our systems.soz. thanks for the 25 cent sound ye...
if it was a can you recently bought and been charged a deposit on, keep the receipt and bring it back with the bottle to the customer service deck and get a refund on the deposit
Agreed, times of old were not good for the environment. But we had a system working very well, exceeding EU requirements and what was needed was more education, not a stupid fee/levy/deposit with all the extra paperwork, adminastration, and extra hassle for all. And I have no doubt waste collection fees will rise and a good possibility manufactuers will increase prices.
That's an interesting point about the deal.
When you buy the can you enter into the deal. You get the can and it's contents and pay the price plus deposit.
The terms of the deposit include that it must be returned in readable condition to an RVM.
This is clear to you before you make your purchase.
You have options, you could decide to buy an exempt container ie. over 3 litres or a glass bottle.
i was asking him more based on interest of the plastic bottles as someone previously said there is value or worth in them.
Where can i sell my plastic bottles? or get money from them? outside of this rvm scheme
idk i dont think there is any bottle or plastic recycling places in ireland, yet let alone willing to pay. i can sell aluminium cans to scrap merchants but not plastic bottles. Is there no plastic merchants?
The larger ones are yes. So Panda, BNM for example.
But smaller companies won’t be part of the processing.
DRS is very obviously a step backwards, without any efforts to enhance the system that was there.
Went to pop a can in today and got told the store doesn’t accept the barcode.
What a system!
Yes those are the conditions more or less though babying it is a bit ott.
There was a time when all our waste went into one bin and the whole lot went into a hole in the ground.
Thankfully waste management has evolved and DRS is another step in that evolution.
If you don't want to partake you will lose money, your choice.
You could always put that money towards a new car 🚗
Those are not scrap value rates. They are funding rates from Repak, as the title of the table says. Subsidies for recycling firms basically.
The scrap value of aluminium is significantly more than 12.60 a tonne for instance.
A deal has two or more parties though - in any case I’m hoping redeemable condition is just so it’s kept round and not a ding on a can from holding it when mostly empty as you swallow the last drop.
thank you. apparently they offer more for 1 tonne than scrap metal recyclers for aluminium cans.
where can i giWhere can i give sell these people my plastic bottles?
Here ya go !
If I baby it, clean it out put it somewhere safe and the bring it back all at my own expense.
Some 'refund' if only all 'refunds' were this one sided be superb wouldn't it.
Imagine putting a deposit down on a new car and the dealership saying you can only get it back if you hand them over some of your time and more money to obtain it back. 🤗
First I have heard of this.....where does it say that?
I was told on another thread that the bin companies were totally against this scheme so it would have been pointless asking them to disseminate the invite to the public consultation that took place with non massive fanfare some time ago.
How are they being compensated for tens of millions of lost revenue from aluminium alone?
So it's just speculation then.
again i ask (as i would like to know) what is the value of plastic bottles?
and also where can one get paid for them?
I see you are not for turning and will continue to call the refundable deposit a tax.
It really doesn't matter if it suits you to call it a tax do so.
But if you change your mind you can still get it back any time.
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