How would these companies be compensated?
The bin companies haven't been impacted by the scheme yet - you'll see the prices increase over the coming months as more aluminium goes back through the RVMs or ends up in general waste.
Money from Re-turn as the minister already said
No i didnt go to them, i was chatting to one on my lunch break. Just chatting random stuff and then brought up the whole recycling scheme thing, he told me there's value in aluminum cans but scrap merchants don't offer you the rates they can profit from the aluminum, he explained it like how a jewellers offers melt value for silver and gold. After they scrap it, it becomes worth much more than they've paid out. I asked him about bottles not because of this recycling stuff, but because of the byproduct or output as he called it.
The plastic bottles are supposedly melted down into plastic pellets or beads and then sold as raw material, so it clearly must be worth something
Ok.
Let's park it for now.
If and when it happens we can come back to it.
But they are being compensated for this lost revenue so that won't happen
You do get the refuse companies are being used to collect content of RVM machines and processing them too
So are you saying, if my waste collector suffers economic loss due to the ReTurn Scheme, this ReTurn company will re-imburse them?
Last week I got those goods for less, I didn't have to baby them, I was free to crush them as required to fit in my recycling bin which we've been doing for over a decade.
I didn't ask for this tax that you say is refundable and I say it's refundable with conditions in addition to my time and fuel and makes it more effort for everyone. Tax is a tax.
Another effort by the same government to hoist costs onto the general public and alleviate public expenditure. More taxes less services every single 5 years.
It's day 1.5 how pray tell would you see any evidence of this come up this soon.
... I mean...
I see you are not for turning and will continue to call the refundable deposit a tax.
It really doesn't matter if it suits you to call it a tax do so.
But if you change your mind you can still get it back any time.
again i ask (as i would like to know) what is the value of plastic bottles?
and also where can one get paid for them?
So it's just speculation then.
How are they being compensated for tens of millions of lost revenue from aluminium alone?
First I have heard of this.....where does it say that?
I was told on another thread that the bin companies were totally against this scheme so it would have been pointless asking them to disseminate the invite to the public consultation that took place with non massive fanfare some time ago.
If I baby it, clean it out put it somewhere safe and the bring it back all at my own expense.
Some 'refund' if only all 'refunds' were this one sided be superb wouldn't it.
Imagine putting a deposit down on a new car and the dealership saying you can only get it back if you hand them over some of your time and more money to obtain it back. 🤗
Here ya go !
thank you. apparently they offer more for 1 tonne than scrap metal recyclers for aluminium cans.
where can i giWhere can i give sell these people my plastic bottles?
A deal has two or more parties though - in any case I’m hoping redeemable condition is just so it’s kept round and not a ding on a can from holding it when mostly empty as you swallow the last drop.
Those are not scrap value rates. They are funding rates from Repak, as the title of the table says. Subsidies for recycling firms basically.
The scrap value of aluminium is significantly more than 12.60 a tonne for instance.
Yes those are the conditions more or less though babying it is a bit ott.
There was a time when all our waste went into one bin and the whole lot went into a hole in the ground.
Thankfully waste management has evolved and DRS is another step in that evolution.
If you don't want to partake you will lose money, your choice.
You could always put that money towards a new car 🚗
Went to pop a can in today and got told the store doesn’t accept the barcode.
What a system!
DRS is very obviously a step backwards, without any efforts to enhance the system that was there.
The larger ones are yes. So Panda, BNM for example.
But smaller companies won’t be part of the processing.
i was asking him more based on interest of the plastic bottles as someone previously said there is value or worth in them.
Where can i sell my plastic bottles? or get money from them? outside of this rvm scheme
idk i dont think there is any bottle or plastic recycling places in ireland, yet let alone willing to pay. i can sell aluminium cans to scrap merchants but not plastic bottles. Is there no plastic merchants?
That's an interesting point about the deal.
When you buy the can you enter into the deal. You get the can and it's contents and pay the price plus deposit.
The terms of the deposit include that it must be returned in readable condition to an RVM.
This is clear to you before you make your purchase.
You have options, you could decide to buy an exempt container ie. over 3 litres or a glass bottle.
Agreed, times of old were not good for the environment. But we had a system working very well, exceeding EU requirements and what was needed was more education, not a stupid fee/levy/deposit with all the extra paperwork, adminastration, and extra hassle for all. And I have no doubt waste collection fees will rise and a good possibility manufactuers will increase prices.
if it was a can you recently bought and been charged a deposit on, keep the receipt and bring it back with the bottle to the customer service deck and get a refund on the deposit
But but it's a deposit system.. I mean by buying it and paying the over the odds cost from last week both sides have bought into the agreement. Unless of course 1 side is absolved of their responsibility. Like oh yeah sorry machines broken or that barcode is broke on our systems.soz. thanks for the 25 cent sound ye...
Not sure if I was charged a deposit I honestly wasn’t minding.
I also don’t really care enough to go and que up at customer services for 15c I am just laughing that the machine told me to go recycle it elsewhere. 🤣
Surely makes more sense if you’re trying to reduce waste and increase recycling for the machine to simply accept the can but not give a voucher out?
That is what I’d expect the machine to do anyway. It was spat back at me and went in the bin outside the shop.
I was in my arse dragging it back home to put in the recycle bin.
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