So Return will now make the same money from the cans and bottles that the refuse collectors previously did but now we have the additional overhead of running Return to cover with this same income.
Also who is going to compensate the private refuse collectors for loss of this income?
Ossian Smyth was talking nonsense about the scheme, talking about what companies might do (deliveries) as if they were statements of fact that would occur. Similar could be happening here, talking about it as if it is a contingency rather than actually a current feature of the scheme.
Now maybe the scheme does have a plan to compensate bin companies, but I'd need more than what is said in such an interview about it before I believe it.
I find it very disingenuous not to include it in a consumer-facing way, eg on their website or FAQ.
A lot of the producer fees will be used to pay the retailers the 2.2cent per item collected.
Cans are worth less than 2c and bottles a fragment of a cent as materials. People massively overestimate the sales price of them
Saw a couple near a Dunnes. They certainly looked sleek.
They aren't making a loss on each can and it is self funding. If not we will find out. I am sure they did their sums but if you want to believe they have designed the whole thing to lose money you are free to believe that
From an initial scan of the listed B items there looks to be a lot of Coca Cola, Monster (20% Coca Cola owned), Brewdog cans and bottles that where bought in NIRL will qualify for refund down here. A list of them on the NIRL Bargain Alerts thread would be handy 🤔
You don't understand their funding model, but that isn't a reason to just make stuff up about values
Aluminium is about 1000/tonne for clean, sorted materials. Cans are not clean and sorted - they're made of two different alloys generally, for the sides and the lid. They also have paint and labels on them. So they're worth even less.
1000/tonne would make a can worth 1.3c or so but they're actually worth less due to the paint, mixed alloys etc
If all items were returned they would be loss making, and they'd increase the producer fees.
Mine went up at the start of Jan might just be general inflation though
No I just gave a simplified response. I never said the 5c was what they would get from the materials but said it was worth 5c. With amount the producers pay as well it may well be WORTH 5c to Re-turn. Tell us how much the producer is paying seeing as you KNOW what you are talking about
You misread my postt
Your option are A or B , if you don't do A your option is B not bringing it back & paying a tax,
Still not true as it isn't a tax no matter what you say. It is a deposit and if you choose not to return it then you forfeit your deposit and it still remain not a tax
Unless the machine deems your normally acceptable can or bottle damaged of course - then it is a tax.
Kind of deliberately to be honest.
But whatever way you hack it this is not a tax.
If you throw your deposit items in the bin they are your money that you chose to dump.
Someone else could return them and collect the money you don't want.
No, it's still not a tax.
Your part of the deal is to keep the can or bottle in readable condition.
Stick to the deal and you get your money back.
It is a tax if the same bottle or can last week didn't incur such rules. It ended up in your recycling bin. Its a fuel,time and sales tax all wrapped up in fancy writing with logos.
I'd say it depends on who you are with as to when increases will come but they are definitely coming.
It'll take them a few months to start to feel the impact. Surely you can see that much at least. But only a fool would suggest this scheme won't lead to higher costs for those good citizens who have been using their recycling bins as prescribed over the years.
Bin companies don't or any business are not going to broadcast they are losing money. They will up their prices as their collection of aluminium cans will
diminsh as will the price they get for those cans.
"what's stopping me from taking last week's bottles down for a refund that I didn't pay deposit on?"
Nothing is stopping you from doing that, unless you have a conscience ethical dilemma for minor silly things or take any jobsworths on some forums seriously when they tell you its fraud.
If there's money from recycling cans, it's fair game and up for grabs so you may aswell. You know it makes sense, so wishing you all the best with it. Lovely jubbly. he who dares wins
CEO on the radio stated cans are worth 2.2 cent each if you want to believe him.
A strange tax that gives you a receipt when you pay it with the deal being you get it back when you return the container.
I call that a refundable deposit.
i been in a few places today, primarily tesco and aldi. i noticed the tesco RVM's were turned off and alot of the drinks that had "+deposit" written on the labels were removed from the shelves. MiWadi (normal size 1 lite) was missing too amoung many other sodas. i think that some of them have same barcodes with the logo than those without, so rather than lose out on money they turn the machine off and remove the stock with matching barcodes as non-return logo stock, so people can't take advantage? not sure just a theory.
Aldi on the other hand had their machines turned on but i couldnt find a single item instore with a deposit listed on it. Even checked my receipt afterwards, nowehere does it say any deposit
A lot would agree with you and are expecting a rise in charges to compensate for the loss of aluminium and plastic.
However, so far I haven't seen a report of it happening.
what is the value of plastic bottles? and where can one get paid for them? (outside of this scheme i mean)
i know i can get paid for the cans, was chatting to some scrap metal recyclers earlier during the week, they said 56-69 cans i can get a euro, but they had no idea how to go about getting cash for plastic bottles
i already did try and organise going around collecting these, its around 40 or say pages back in the other recycling thread, but i was called a conman and told i would need a waste collection lisence and some other sort of commercial businuess permit and a register for vehicle lol.
My advice is if anyone else is doing a scheme like this, to keep it private and don't post it on the forums, because some jobs worth will moan about it or use it to insult you
To clarify - that's the formal price set in the scheme that shops get per returned item. It's not the value of the item on the recyclables market.
When there is a sudden change to costs and charges businesses certainly go broadcasting the fact against against the change. The minister has said they are being compensated. You are making a direct claim refuse companies will up their prices based on nothing but a direct denial of what people have told you about the process
You went to a METAL recycler and they didn't know how plastic is recycled! It has a value even if artificially inflated by fines for not recycling it
