Yes.
Producers/importers can pay a higher fee and use the same barcode as they use internationally; these may not have the logo on them in the interim.
Basically outside of the main soft drinks, Irish supermarket own brand products and most beer a lot of stuff will be in that category.
You can definitely return that
Absolute disgrace that this has been forced onto an unwilling public with zero consultation and no attempt to integrate with existing recycling system. Suck it up folks and wait in the long grass till the local elections.
What does that mean? So you can still return them?
That's an international barcode - 5022313332406 - which is on the list. It'll give a refund.
That list is here - https://re-turn.wetransfer.com/downloads/40e9021a30b2bb9c38044b01b07b348720240111163455/6a1d0e
The link was given out publicly on the RGDATA website so I'm presuming we're all allowed have it.
Majority of people(Me included) will not bother retaining cans in pristine condition in their house, the beauty of cans is they can be crushed and easily disposed of in the recycling bin, for a lot of people this is simply another tax.
It's going to a sh1t show isn't it.
Ah ok, interesting. I was of the understanding that multipacks where the un-barcoded items inside a barcoded box were exempt for the transition period. If there is no barcode on the individual items then you can't return. You should query this with the retailer and also send a message to Re-Turn, if you can be arsed!
It's an odd one, maybe specific to this product but the bottles (being part of a multipack) don't even have barcodes on them, only the outer wrapper did
No, exceptions have been made for the transition period for barcodes used in multiple markets, so that might be what you're seeing. It might be the case that a registered barcode will have a deposit charged and you will get it back, even in the absence of the Re-Turn logo on the can.
Assuming the POS system in the store is up to date, any barcode scanned that charges a deposit will be accepted for return by a reverse vending machine.
So is the deposit being charged on all drinks regardless of whether they can be returned or not? If not, that's at least how Tesco seem to be doing it
Nor me, even panning out shows none. None loaded into the system yet.
RVM locator on the website isn't working at all for me. Bit of a **** up for day one
Putting stuff in green bins is also a scheme for the compliant. Reverse vending has a history in other countries of increasing compliance. Could that be the outcome in Ireland as well? I certainly think so.
Heading out shopping soon with Mrs Raichu will be interesting to see if any bottles or cans have been swapped to Re-Turn ones.
i still think this is absolutely stupid but there’s nothing can be done now.
Well, the big day has arrived. I saw a guy at my local Dunnes putting the finishing touches (decals) on the RVMs at 9 last night. The tannoy was playing an announcement about the scheme every 5 minutes, like a subliminal message in the background while we shopped. Not a sign of deposit pricing or Re-Turn logos on the shelves, so I assume the elves will have been busy overnight.
Whether you're a supporter or objector, confused or just curious, I'm sure we can all agree that Ireland does a pretty good job of the overnight rollout (like the shift to metric speed limits, the Euro, etc).
Like the Covid restrictions, while it may feel daunting at first, I'm sure this will all become second-nature to us in a couple of weeks.
Once they have the ReTurn logo - they can be returned anywhere, but the refund you get from the machine needs to be spent in that store. Or redeemed in that store for cash.
Can I ask a question, one that has probably been answered here before.
I buy 2 ltr bottles of water in Aldi and they are Aldi specific 2 ltr bottles. Can I return them to the Supervalu machine? And if so, do I have to use the coupon in Supervalu or what is the situation with this? Or does one have to return bottles to a specific machine?
It’s on this document under “Additional Financial Supports”
https://re-turn.ie/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Retailer-Handling-Fees-Update-July-2023.pdf
As the cost to install and maintain an RVM is high, shops that do not make a viable return for having one in their store will be reviewed to receive some financial support to offset the purchase of the machine. Can't find the exact thing on their (terrible) website.
i have a question: if there's a shop a person does not like, is it better to bring back the bottles there to their RVM? or would that be doing them a favor?
The reason i ask this is because i read 2 pieces of conflicting information somewhere. 1 may be untrue im not sure
1) somewhere i recall seeing that the store makes 2.2 cent off of each return.
2) somewhere else someone said that if a store does not reach 500,000 in the first year they get given 3000€ grant for free! and then after the second year if they still have not reached that number of returns, then an additional €2000 they get from re-turn, and for the 3rd year if they still don't reach that many, then an additional 1000
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@thomas 123 impossible really to know.
https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/6746d-deposit-return-scheme/
Crazy a government publication can go out without a source to the statistics quoted - I also cant find a searchable reference to the 23% figure on the return website.
Anyone have the source?
23% of "On THE GO" plastic bottles are recycled. I feel that figure is made up or is being guessed from the amount of plastic sent for incineration or land fill which is a choice of the waste management company, not the Irish public.
https://www.breakingnews.ie/explained/explained-what-is-the-new-deposit-return-scheme-and-how-does-it-work-1581608.html
@Archeron thank you for sharing those stats, I was wondering how close the can collection rate was to glass bottle - 79% is notably high, as impressive as the glass bottles re-turn don't need to go near.
The link below says only 23% of plastic bottles are recycled. Take 23% of 1bn bottles that are sold, add 79% of 800,000 cans, and you get 63% of the 1.8bn total drinks containers in scope. (Re-turn estimate the number of said items on sale.
So the infamous 'estimated 60% recycle rate' that must be improved is a combined stat that masks the fact that cans could have been excluded just like glass was.
I come back to the point that re-turn is cherry picking the items it wants to recycle.
Do you think the fella firing cans out the car window will now go and stop off at the shop to get his 15c back? I certainly don't.
Lets get real, this is a scheme for the compliant.
Two billion cans and bottles bought every year. If this scheme results in even a few thousand not finishing up in the hedges near me, it will be a success.
According to Alupro and numerous other googlable sources, in 2019 irelands aluminum packaging collection and recycling rate was around 79% while the average european rate is around 55%
While there may possibly have been negative changes to that since, there is no reason why they expanded this to cans. As somebody else above mentioned, cans are going to be the more difficult part of this for people as they damage so easily. A sack of plastic bottles you could play football with, coke cans not so much.
I would have applauded this scheme if it had been a double current sized deposit just on plastic, because it would have shown it was about recycling and people could much much more easily have taken part, or at least had a choice of which packaging they bought. Now the choice is gone, you're gonna pay, or you're gonna be inconvenienced. Or probably both because when that can in your bag bends, soz, your deposit is gone. But can they still have it anyway?
July 2023. Repak : Ireland surpasses all recycling targets.
June 2022.Irish Times. Ireland beats 2021 European recycling rate despite covid challenges.
Introduce this just for bottles, i think everybody is on board. We all know its a problem and irish people have proven over the past twenty years we will do the right thing.
Adding cans, you've removed consumer choice to avoid the bad product, taken revenue away from established recycling companies, created unnecessary inconvenience for a significant number of people, will cause bin charges to rise, and put the onus on the people to treat an easily damaged item with kid gloves to get their money back. All this accompanied by a piss poor awareness campaign to the public. And because....hopefully homeless people might pick up most likely damaged and non refundable litter?
I get annoyed thinking of me driving to a place i normally dont visit to get my money back while also paying monthly for my bin company to do this. But apparently im just an old curmudgeon. Then i think of the neighbours.
On my road, there is an 84 year old man who has very poor movement in his hands and is house bound. This is an inconvenience. He has no way to partake without possibly getting a taxi to a machine or shop and hoping somebody might assist. He can least afford this.
There is also a woman in her late seventies who permanently cares for her fifty ish year old severely disabled son. She cannot leave him alone. This is an inconvenience. She can drive to an rvm, but this involves getting her son ready for that trip, a notable amount of time. She can least afford this.
Both houses use online shopping. In a road of 12 houses.
Scam scam scam scam. We are being financially and / or time inconvenienced in order to pay for the creation of the body whose sole purpose is to insist we should be unnecessarily inconvenienced.
I honestly couldnt give a damn what germany does with similar schemes. When this was introduced in Germany, ireland had already began to go down a different path and that path proved to be really succesful, with the exception of bottles. Shameful move by this new quango which can serve only to do long term cause damage to the general public perception on recycling, the cost of living generally and the future investment by genuine waste management companies.
There is absolutely nothing good about this set up.
Simple - it will give more footfall. They hope you use the voucher against a purchase rather than ask for cash.
This system is a carbon copy of the hugely successful Danish system. Virtually no changes.
Pure mis-information.
Producers will pay a very small fee towards the admin of the scheme. It is currently set at 1.2c per container, 2c for large bottles.
Only cans with the re-turn barcode have the fee applied.
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