If you sell a lot of the in scope products it's well worth your while to have an RVM, 2.2c per bottle or can I think is the rate... That's 22c on a 10 pack of cans, I'd drink that in a week, so my local store will get €11.44 per year just off just me buying my regular booze there
My local not particularly big SV has two, but they'd sell a lot of booze. A lot, so plenty of returns to take.
On the linked page it says 540 locations and 667 machines so yeah some locations will have 2+ machines, presumably these are the larger supervalu stores though
I said 1 or 2 that are big enough to be required, e.g. 250sqm+. There's a Centra in Ashbourne that used to be a Supervalu for instance, so is definitely big enough.
Some pretty tiny shops have them in Germany, there's a small Rewe in BER airport train station that has two, but I'm not expecting as many here.
Of the 703 SV and centra stores 540 (or 76%) of them will have RVMs
Assuming all of the 227 SV's will have them, the 480 Centras will share the other 313 locations meaning 65% of all Centra stores will have an RVM, a far cry from your "1 or 2"
It would make a lot of sense for the Irish craft breweries to arrange a shared single bottle type and do take back/wash/reuse like was done in the past. But it'd need one body to organise it and considering there's already two craft brewery associations I don't think that is going to work.
Well said and is something I am considering. As well as a bigger carbon footprint from delivery from brewery to retail outlet!
There's a chance it'll actually make them a reasonable bit of side income considering people are likely to return a lot of empties there.
Maybe
Or people will switch from beer cans to deposit-free glass bottles (as several on these threads have said) which takes a lot more energy to transport (weight / bulk) and causes a much worse litter problem if discarded
Oddly, my local off-licence is well under 250sqm, but has an RVM inside the door. They’ve obviously decided not to avail of the exception for some reason. There’s a Eurospar right next door that also has a machine, so it’s not out of some sense of civic duty to serve the local community. They must reckon that it will have a positive effect on their balance sheet.
The thing is, the lads buying bottles of coke will not understand this.
Bugger all of them will do either form of takeback - there's apparently around 200 manual takeback locations; and there are maybe one or two Centras in the country that are big enough to be required to do takeback at all.
My local Centra is huge, but clearly under 250sqm. Its only a shade smaller than the smallest Supervalus
Good luck to anyone working in a Spar or Centra when this goes live.
Glass isn't covered. Could be in the future but no plans to
If it cleans up all the glass bottles, beer cans and plastic bottles thrown along the roadsides then I'm in favour of it
Indeed. So why not punish them and reward those who don't.
I will try and avoid anything in a can and plastic bottle
This is actually the system working. Environmentally, the only thing better than recycling plastic or aluminum is not using the materials in the first place. It is designed to make you think about your consumption - to be inconvenient but also to compel you to endure the inconvenience (or suffer the loss of the deposit) if you chose to use the items.
Pretty much the only thing we buy on a regular basis that will be part of the scheme is squash (MiWadi). I'll be buying the bigger bottles to reduce the number I have to deal with, or even thinking "do we really need to artificially flavour our water this week?"
Relax.
There won't be a big rush tomorrow because logo cans that are eligible for the scheme only go on sale tomorrow.
Very few will be drinking the contents and looking for their deposit back in the first day.
The four month transition up to June 1st should give people time to ease into the operation of the system.
Working in retail. I'm hoping we don't get lots of angry and confused people tomorrow at the machines!
think of it as a positive then - for a couple of cents you can be the proud owner of a lovely plastic bottle to do as you wish with it
I've seen people stuff rubbish bags into the recycling bins
Lidl provides bins for plastic,paper and cardboard packaging. You can remove excess packaging and leave it there for free.
Obviously you can't use these bins for packaging that is necessary to get stuff home.
You'd wonder why glass has such high collection rates?
Oh yea, free, publicilly accessible, straight forward to use, open 24/7 bring centres - no enough of them mind but enough to bring the reclycling rate up to that number.
I wonder is that the reclycling rate of glass or the actual collection rate - how were they able to work out either of these rates without such a granular DRS in place I wonder??
We are being told that is the whole point of this new scheme....
I've had my say on another thread on this in fairness .
I actually knew the reason they gave, I should have mentioned it in my post. I am wondering if the recycle rate on cans was as low as bottles, or closer to bottles.
yeah Behind a pay barrier
Glass was left out due to already high recycling levels. From the front page of their site:
"Currently, Ireland has a recycling rate of over 80% for glass and is surpassing recycling targets for this material. As a result, there are no plans to include glass in the Scheme but this may be open to change in the future."
I will try and avoid anything in a can and plastic bottle as it is very inconvenient for me to queue and place a bag of recyclables in the machine. I’m not far from needing to use a wheelchair regularly, my hands have lost dexterity. It’s barely as much as I can do to place items on checkout belt and pack, and sometimes staff help me with all that. But I want to be out and about and independent as much as I can as long as I can. There are lots of people like me who will find this a complete pain in the hole and maybe undoable in time.
To rub salt in... The big businesses stand to make money on this, because of the 2.2c credit they get per item returned to the RVM, and possible extra business from people going there to return items bough in smaller exempt stores.
Excellent point. We might be able to develop it as a reason for EXCLUDING glass. Why was glass not included? Less value? Less uniform? More difficult to crush?
Just to footnote: I am happy they left out glass, it is one way we are able to avoid the scheme in much the way you describe (e.g. choosing beer in glass bottle, not can means no DRS).
It is amazing how big businesses have been allowed over and over again to push the blame for everything onto the end consumer.
No reducing single use free plastics. Or make it compulsory for free filtered water in public places. Just gouge the en user. I suppose it's the ultimate polluter pays principle except it always appears to be more inconvenient.
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