Old thread seems to be permanently locked. It will be interesting if anything can come of this at last.
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Interesting article about Daniel TDP's next wife Melita.
Yugoslavian immigrant background. Grew up in Le Harve. Violent father, killed her mother when she was 7.
If you ask the question "Cui Bono"...
I didn't know that Sophie's diary stayed in France. It would lead me to believe that the trip she took to Ireland wasn't that significant for her to write anything about?
As far as I know Bailey had a lot of writings and drawings about all sorts of sexual fantasies, often rougher stuff.
If it was visible for so long in the car, it doesn't exactly spell police efficiency? Or did they have to wait that long to get the search warrant?
In diaries, she wrote about being at ease in West Cork.
She loved to visit her dormer property, a converted farmhouse, and appeared to have easily overcome any fears of isolation in the rural setting she had chosen.
“The Irish love their country in a more exclusive way than the Lozerians,” she wrote, referring to her birthplace and upbringing in the south-central region of France.
“It is a country of endurance, of resistance, pride in a flag, more than mere roots!
“I really love this country, I an adapting to it, and at the same time my body is, more or less, getting used to the cold.
“I am becoming hardened to it and I feel at ease here, with the people, their language and their thoughts.”
And with great eloquence, she wrote of her desires to find a house and to spend time here.
“Perhaps its doesn’t need to be too isolated for me to find serenity.”
Later she penned: “The scenery is to die for; it changes all the time, going from English-type countryside with Swiss chalet-like houses to stony desert and red dust.”
The extracts from the diary were published in a paperback, by writer Michael Sheridan, in 2004, Death in December — The Story of Sophie Toscan du Plantier.
Source
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-20321277.html
Any update on his writings will be interesting - while he’s dismissed them as “ramblings” in the past, it’s all we have to go on at this stage - I guess seeing his words down on paper you can see why Gardai might have been motivated towards continuing a case against him - but that’s not enough from a legal perspective -he’s writing about what many ordinary people might fantasise about - lots of sex and foursomes etc - but never dare write down on paper -he was a writer after all ir at least once had a writing related job- uncomfortable reading given the allegations against him, maybe - but not in anyway definitive in terms of likely guilt but it does give a fascinating insight into his personality - take from it what you will
They don't seem to have a great record solving these cases
Some of them are getting solved later with DNA
The other stain on the justice system in that era was the inability of the guards to solve the many cases, including this one, where women were killed or dissappeared.
It's ironic and of one of the saddest aspects of the case is that if they were men of less moral integrity Ian Bailey would have ended up in a much better position. Having Maire Farrell and an assortment of keystone cops as witnesses for the prosecution would have been made mince meat of by a good defence barrister.
If he was somehow still found guilty he would have become a cause celebre for campaigning journalists . The revelation of Garda corruption and incompetence in the ensuing years would have led to calls for a retrial.
The worst case scenario is that he would have had to serve the whole prison sentence instead of the extrajudicial sentence of being hounded into an early grave and now it seems even beyond that.
The whole matter is a black mark against the state's justice system.
Well this is a quote from one of our earlier posters here true? Diary or notes?
'It is widely accepted that Sophie kept a diary, she was known to update it religiously and always kept it upon her person.
She recorded all her thoughts and expectations, and one would presume her fears.....
Her diary was never recovered from the cottage, nor among her personal belongings, nor was it recovered back in France.
it's missing.
Obviously, this raises the question... Who would steal it? What revelations were enclosed within the pages of the journal? Was the contents of that diary related to Sophie's death??
One item that Sophie was never without... Just dropped off the face of the Earth.'
Did bailey ever explain the issues with the alibi
He did a lot of pointing in different directions the french hitman theory and the deceased bantry suspect
Gene Kerrigan in the Indo put it like this;
Two DPPs, Eamon Barnes and James Hamilton, examined the details of the case and decided there was no case against Bailey that had a chance of standing up in court.
These two exemplary public servants and their staff, who had carefully examined the evidence at length, who had no aim other than to see justice done, have since been repeatedly defamed by clowns who knew bits and pieces of facts they half-remembered hearing from someone, somewhere, and who alleged the public servants failed or — for some obscure reason — refused to do their job.
We all know on the sunday he was working on STDP reports - up at murder scene etc,
That was Monday, not Sunday.
The point about the article is that Bailey's story went from being in bed with his partner during the timeframe of the murder to being alone in another building writing an article at the timeframe of the murder.
Now it may be a case that he misremembered the days, because it was six weeks earlier, but once again it's another thing that can be legitimately used to build suspicion around Bailey, here in an internet discussion, not in a court of law.
Burden of proof
Different matter to discussion of baileys likely guilt
Wish I had the self confidence that some posters have to say "nah you're wrong mate" to two directors of public prosecutions using information they've gleamed from the internet.
or there was nothing to know.
One would hope the cold case review team is expending the same effort in chasing up other possibilities, otherwise the whole purpose of the review is questionable.
So the article was written over that weekend. If it had been done earlier in the week, it would have been submitted earlier - deadlines etc. Someone on this thread mentioned he tried to ring it in on Monday morning.
So, a window of 2-3 hours over that saturday/sunday period needs to be found to write the article. We all know on the sunday he was working on STDP reports - up at murder scene etc, and that he was out and about and drinking on the saturday.
If a 2-3 hour period cant be found during his day(s) then it must have been written over night?
You're not making a great point there
He had time to write something after the murder .
I'm still not 100% on whether Jules knew
Mostly I think she didn't but could be wrong on that
Other posters have suggested she was in on it and I wouldn't rule that out now
So the newspaper article was in fact written? Hard to write when you're hiking miles around the countryside.
So the gardai didn't get the stuff in the car ?
It'd be 99% self-important gibberish . Could be something there I suppose
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What are you trying to say there ?
In plain English
"Could be something else in his writings in the flat possibly"
You missed your chance, they were on the front seat of his car in plain view for 4 or 5 days after he died. A coat hanger would have done.
I'd hazard a guess sophie figured larger in his thoughts than vice versa
No, it's not true, Her personal "Dear Diary" type of diary with her thoughts and musings was in France.
Her "Filofax" type journals (3 years worth) with contact details, appointments and travel plans were with her and taken from the house by the foensics.
Neither made any reference to Ian Bailey. The lost bit came about because they were not made availabe to the French investigators (why would that be I wonder)
A lot of talk about new witnesses or dna
It's prob true there are other avenues of investigation
Disproving his claim not to have met her. Not sure how much value that has evidentially
Her diary would be a major find. Could be something else in his writings in the flat possibly
Is that true? That her diary was missing.
I read somewhere else she kept quite detailed planners, diaries, address book type stuff and they found no connection to Bailey.
Not only that, but if there was something suspected in relation to the investigation, why didn't they get that search warrant sooner?
Yes, but I think it was Sophie's diary, not Ian's? What I have heard is that Sophie had her diary with her in Ireland, and that was missing from her cottage during the night of the murder.
This always gave rise to the speculation that the murderer came back to the house to get the diary and made that blood stain on the door.
Well, there were reports of a missing diary at the time..
I winder how the two are rubbing along together - the local ongoing investigation and the review team?
Coming down here telling us how it should be done.
If so, it sounds like one last desperate hope of finding something, anything, to show they didn't make a complete pigs ear of the investigation from the very start.
I wonder what reason was given in the application for the search warrant for what looks like a fishing expedition.
Some of the Irish papers are writing that the Gards are looking for a diary, around the time of the murder of Sophie.
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