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Kerry GAA discussion thread #2

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  • Registered Users Posts: 390 ✭✭Piskin


    D O Connor needs consistancy in his game at this stage of his career. Jack needs fresh minds on the line with him as this team bar the Cliffords lack innovation & tactical nous. The fringe players who have been there for 4 years are no good at this level as they have proved over n over. Tony Brosnan has talent but surely this is his last year to nail down a place. Why not try Barry Dan at full-forward as he would be a target to aim for. S o Shea is not a full-forward.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,894 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    i know its a blast from the past but when we played mayo for a place in division 1 in 2021 and kerry a week later in the munster championship , only one player featured today and that was the goal keeper , he is an excellent coach , he has nothing to work with up here at the moment so keep an eye on him ,



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭50HX


    Good away win today

    Nice to see Sean o s rip it up a bit



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭Seadin


    They were very impressive today I thought. Hard to go up there and do what they did. High scoring game.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,238 ✭✭✭orangerhyme




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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,392 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Looks in serious nick to me and moving very well, some lovely scores and movement today.

    Saw hin as well v Tipp for the second half for the Cup game and he ran amok in last 20.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,680 ✭✭✭thesultan


    His boots are brutal..

    Joe O'Connor put in a good shift..



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,262 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Was up there today. Good win, Joe O'Connor looks the business, serious shifts by GrahamO Sullivian, Gavin White, Tom O Sullivian and Dara Moynihan to help out the new lads in the forwards.

    Only negative is Paul Murphy. His day is done as a Kerry player. Against a better team he be targeted more. Great servant in his day but was a weak link last year especially in the final. We cannot afford to carry him on the team any longer. I am not even sure if he can contribute comming on especially in a game that we would be behind in. Taught he was poor last week comming on but he was unable to even really mark his own man today. If Monoghan could have got the ball over the top into the forward line when he was stranded one on one at the back we would have leaked goals.

    Post edited by Bass Reeves on

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 390 ✭✭Piskin


    Good win away from home and a good performance. Joe o Connor & C Burke bring much needed physical strength to the side. More shape in the team today and Jack must have gotten into Moynihans ear at last as he was more composed today. Gavin White is a huge worry with him being turned over numerous times, a side of his game that has cost us dearly in the past. Midfield has improved since Barry left and we have Barry Dan to call on as well. P Murphy should have been retired 3 years ago, great servant but not up to scratch at this level now. D Casey has potential and has strengthened up, would like him to be a little more nasty in his game. Morley showed his worth again today. 2 Geaneys are potential and would like to see P Geaney retired as well as P Murphy. Hopefully more prospects will be blooded throughout the League and into the Championship. T Brosnan under serious pressure to nail down a place now, he needs to buck up and improve his composure badly. M Burns is not going to make it at this level it seems and needs to be dropped from the panel. D o Connor will hopefully bring much needed consistancy to his game as it is past due at this stage.



  • Registered Users Posts: 738 ✭✭✭Forge83


    I posted here last year that Seanie was very flat footed so labours around the field. He has obviously been working on his running style with a coach as his mobility has improved massively. His ground contact is no longer fully flat footed. He is going to have a massive year!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭awaywithyou


    A good win.. I felt the negativity after derry game was over the top... Derry are 3rd best team in the game at the moment and had 13 of the starters from last years semi against kerry on the field..

    Team is taking shape.. Sean Shea could be at 14 for the year with d Clifford and moynihan either side of him.. forget about t brosnan.. loads of talent but doesn't deliver.. unfortunate for him but he's not the 1st player to have heap of talent and not make it count.. p Clifford at 11.. without doubt his best position.. Burke at 12 and maybe a Spillane or a geaney at 10.. midfield looks sorted... while I have concerns about Paul Murphy.. I think he is playing better now than 3 or 4 years ago... a player who I am concerned about is Tom sullivan... appears to me to be a guy that could do with a break from football for a bit...



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,262 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Murphy is brutal and that is not being unkind. He would hardly make a good senior club team at present. He has absolutely no pace he is absolutely no help to any other defender. Opposition tend not to even track him when he makes a run after an offload.

    Tom for all his flaws can get up and down the pitch and was it him that got the block in for one of the Monoghan goal chances. He is just not an intelligent playmaker footballer so CB/sweeper dose not suit him.

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    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,557 ✭✭✭kerryjack


    S o Se looks in great shape they look hungry Burke looks good am still not too sure about Joe O C and I have been saying that with a few years and hope I am proved wrong we need a big year from A Spillane now is his time to shine win the dirty ball add a bit of physicality and as p o se said that bit of devilment to our game.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,239 ✭✭✭munster87


    Always thought Gavin White would become a great attacking wing back but some of his decisions and loss of possession in general is concerning at this stage imo



  • Registered Users Posts: 195 ✭✭highball14


    You’re way off the mark on Murphy. He wouldn’t be in my starting back 6 due to physicality but he’s a very good footballer and should definitely play an important role from the bench. I’d even consider him an option for wing forward.

    Tom for all his flaws!!? Tom is one of the best backs in the country.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭cms88


    Disappointing start for the hurlers. imo could be a tough season ahead. But at least there's no relegation in the league.

    Another bad call from the CB. After last year imo it was clear Molumphy wasn't going to move things forward but the CB took the easy option to reappoint him again. The number of still young enongh players not involved is also worrying.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,238 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    Correct.

    He's been one of our most consistent players for a decade now.

    Very clever player with good decision making.



  • Registered Users Posts: 390 ✭✭Piskin


    Gavin White is a worry with his decision making & amount of turn-overs in games. Cost us dearly in 2021 & in last years final. Jack needs to get inside his head.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,262 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Jack was at fault for last years final. Tge reason Gavin got turned over was there was no option to lay off the ball. Jack waited to react to Dublin's changes ( and even then he left it too late) twice we went 3-4 points up and tried legs cost us.

    It's easy to blame the player caught in possession its what happening around him you have to watch.

    When Gavin was caught in possession in ⁹last years final there was no pass option on, no player coming around behind to the the pass.

    When we went 2-3 ahead after half time, we need to substitute at least two ofSOB, PM DM or PG. We needed fresh legs in the middle third of the pitch.

    The operative word is BEEN, he was a good servant but he is now 32 years of age (33 in August) Tomas O Se who was a much better player than Murphy won his last AI at 31 on the field of play Murphy is not a Tomas, he is now too old and too slow at this stage. His strenght was his engine to cover ground aling with his ability to read a game, but his engine is gone. Add to that he has got no physical presence and our middle third is too small anyway

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,239 ✭✭✭munster87


    GW was kicking ball aimlessly into the full forward line against Derry. Those days are long gone




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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,238 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    He was good last year.

    Maybe he shouldn't be starting games but his experience is useful closing out games.

    He's one of our most experienced players now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,363 ✭✭✭✭DDC1990


    Hmm, not sure about that.


    First of all Paul Murphy had dropped back as the option behind Gavin White in the AI Final. Gavin just made an individual error and passed the ball when he should have just dummied it and kept soloing the ball.


    Hard to blame Jack for that or for the fact that Clifford shot 30% below his normal production rate. It's just one of those things. A couple of mistakes, Dublin took advantage and deservedly won the game.


    Jack is never slow to make subs (as Sean O'Brien and Ronan Buckley have found out in the last fortnight). I didn't have any issue with Jack's substitutions or timing to be honest.

    Having said all that I'm not concerned at all about Gavin White. Much like Killian Spillane and Dara Moynihan, he can't show anything near his best playing on pitches like Tralee and Clones in the winter. We'll get a good idea where he is at in Round 4 in Croke Park. Just look at the difference for Stephen O'Hanlon in week 1 and week 2. In Croke Park he was burning, Murchin and McCaffrey. In Clones, Tom pretty much kept him under wraps and managed to kick a couple of points himself. Tom would have been in for an awful rough day if that game was in Crocker.


    As for Murphy, he had a fine game up in Monaghan, having to stand in as a Corner Back once Morley came on and was left one on one with his man with plenty of space in front of him. His one big error was getting blown out of it prior to Monaghan's goal. He got too tight to a bigger man and was shrugged away. Other than that he was fine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 390 ✭✭Piskin


    Jack was the main culprit for that loss as he set up in fear of Dublin. In fairness he knew his midfield were not up to scratch at this level so S O B was picked to offer support there. S o' B had a shocker as he has had in previous AL Finals and should have been hooked at HT along with P Murphy. White has sailed close to the wind with his hand passes for years and had at least 4 turnovers against Monaghan which nearly proved costly. I think Jack knows he fecked up last year and is trying to rectify for that this year. He is blooding new players and hopefully they will be blooded in the Championship as well. Like in last years Final fresh legs were needed. My main worry this year is older players like White, P M, S o B, Begley etc will repeat the same mistakes in crucial moments in the game.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,463 ✭✭✭dobman88


    Micheal Burns has left the panel.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,238 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    We gifted them a goal and Clifford had a stinker.

    It was one of the most painful losses in my life supporting Kerry.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24 StuttgartKY


    Might not have been the most exciting player to watch as a fan, but its definitely not a good sign to see fellas leaving the panel especially at this stage of year now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,463 ✭✭✭dobman88


    I wouldn't read that much into it. He's 28, never broke into the 1st 15 and competition for places is no doubt fierce at this time of the year, started against Derry and back on the bench against Monaghan.

    Kerry have better options available from the bench so I'd say he just realised where he was in the pecking order and made a decision which I've a lot of respect for.



  • Registered Users Posts: 390 ✭✭Piskin


    No doubt about that... Hopefully Clifford & White will learn from last year. Clifford needs to stop with the glory-hunting pot-shots and look for other team mates more. White needs to calm down and be more aware, his party trick is becoming a liability. T o Sullivan needs to knuckle down and concentrate more on his defensive duties. M Burns a good servant but not good enough at this level, like J Barry & D Moynihan he never improved his game. T Brosnan is on his last chance this year to prove himself at this level, a serious talent but another player who is failing to utilize his talent. D Clifford made the same mistakes in big games since 2019 and that is a worry, Jack gave him too much leeway last year and hopefully that will be rectified as well. Look at Dublin over the last decade and how they cut out the flaws & mistake's in their players, they did the simple things well while we were going for glory time & time again. Was hope Jack would bring in a forwards coach this year as we have lacked badly in that area the last ten years. No cohesion, forwards who cannot kick points, soloing the ball into the opposition, running into cul-de-sacs over n over again. Would like to see Donal Down back at some time this year as he has quick feet. Quite a few players who have been on the panel for at least 6 years yet only one AI to show for it is not good enough and most of those players making the same mistakes over n over again.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,262 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I be of the same opinion as you, he may even have bern given a hint and given the chance to leave/retire on his own terms or as you say saw the new talent and decided he would not be getting game time even as a substitute.

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users Posts: 390 ✭✭Piskin


    J Barry the same. I Saw a different D Moynihan against Monaghan as he knows he is on borrowed time with the new talent coming in. J Barry, Burns & Moynihan rested on their laurels when they got into the panel and never improved their game. B o'Begley and T Brosnan are in the same boat and they have to lay down a marker this year. Too many players and Jack rested on their laurels after the AI win in 2022 and it showed last year as we were bad for most of the year. D o Connor is another player who needs to finally show up in every game, far too inconsistant at this level.



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