EU Payments are about a long time and I can't see them going to far for another long time.
We got payments in the 70s to produce as much as possible, payments now to produce as little as possible, the circle of life could predict payments in the future to over produce once again.
Can't see much payment losses, just reallocation.
Who are “others”??
To be honest the regs are going to be enforced one way or the other but wouldn't be great if acre was valued according to its possible production not its paper value.much like happened with quotas and like in the welfare state it quickly becomes better to do nothing than actually work after a few years
They are .and remember there is and has been enormous grants/payments for all sectors in the economy the last 30+ years. especially in this country. the money given to farmers is a drop in the ocean in comparison. Nearly every business in the country is subsidised in some shape or form, its just agriculture is a soft target for the abuse and scrutiny. There will be literally hunger riots in parts of the EU before they link subs to food production again imo
The others as you well know is every other sector in the primary agricultural production front line. Just by default of turnover Alone and the ability to generate a cash flow limits the the ability to put money into the wider local economy. Themselves just the facts ....... I mean no disrespect.
Edit just to add I know what other types of farming can produce and what revenues they can generate I've been involved in pretty much them all in my farming adventures
Amen to that Jesus Christ it's unreal the things a lad will convince himself of to just go the extra50 an acre to rent or stick another ten thousand on there the other fella will stop soon.
Nearly all SFP's are equalised now excefor a few outliers and by 2027 there will be even fewer outliers.
Biggest struggle now for larger farmers is the number of younger farmers using the young farmer allowance since having to be fulltime/income limits were abolished.
Gosh ordinary lads having the audacity to outfit dairy farmers for land
Mind you I have done it myself
What’s the difference beteween an ordinary farmer and a dairy farmer 🤔🤔🤔
Dairy farmers have an opinion if themselves thats the difference.Theres plenty of farmers with off farm buisness and jobs that make lots more per year
Plenty of farmers with their head stuck up their own arse, not all dairy farmers
Dairy farmers are seen as ,"having too much" by the begrudgers. Doesn't seem to matter that they also work the hardest.
This thing about dairy farmers out bidding others for land is BS too. I never rented an acre in my life and have no intention of doing so.
You can’t tar everyone with the same brush, be they dairy, “ordinary”, part-time, whatever. Some people will be decent skins no matter what they have. Others will be eejits no matter what they have.
Nobody likes the big fella paying OTT for every acre in the parish. But he was probably always an eejit, no matter what type of farmer he is now.
It’s a bit like the saying, Money doesn’t change people - it reveals them.
Regs in Ireland are still non-existant, they’re not even enforcing the few that are in place!
Irelands farmers, Dept, Unions, Teagasc etc will fight to the bitter end to keep the ports flowing with cheap grains that don’t adhere to any enviro/phytosanitary regulations.
That ton of meal/cow must come from somewhere.
6.5 million tons of untraceable crap in 2022. What extra cost for those tons if they have to conform to the same regs that I have?? Dairy have been creaming it off the back of EU grain producers.
https://www.farmersjournal.ie/tillage/news/feed-imports-into-ireland-rise-in-2022-752234
Let's be honest it was dairy farmers that have drove the price of rented land over the last 5+ years with the help of some tillage farmers in tillage areas.
Jayus Whelan bad night last night calving the cows or did you have too much wine. You forgot to quote a post as to who you were referring to. I suspect that it was me.
As the saying goes "sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me''
Down at the head of the bay we had a saying as well
" it takes one to know one and a bigger one at that"
It seems you finally got around to slagging me off here like you did in other online forums that I am not on.
When there was an non farming income limit on the young farmers top up few outside of tillage ( mainly those contracting) and dairy farmers had that scheme to themselves.
So now that ordinary mortals have access to it as well the it probably come as a shock to some.
I am not tarring anyone. But when you throw a stones at a pack of dogs the one that yelp are usually the ones that got hit.
As I pointed out the change to the young farmers top up had equalised the field a bit. I do not totally agree with it the top up or the way it operates but it is what it is. So if you can put a saddle on it you probably will.
But for ages it was a significant advantage to farmers that were full-time and ket be honest it was dairy farmers that have mainly driven the price of land both for renting and buying
Nope just a generalisation. In every walk of life and in every profession there's people who think theyre so much better than everyone else. In actual fact they're usually assholes
My post was directed at no one. All I was saying is that not every big dairy farmer is an eejit and not every non-dairy farmer is a nice guy.
Having said that, following the State’s advice has turned a few eejits into big dairy eejits but that’s half to be expected too 😂
Ya I'm saying it for years it's the lads who don't have to make a living off it and it doesn't matter what they make from it. them are the lads who rent ground around here.
Close the eyes for 1 minute and imagine the EU has gone broke and the first thing they do is pull the cap budget.so there sfb ,greening, building grants, organic or whatever.how would agriculture and land use in ireland change
I wouldn't believe dairy farmers work the hardest, A part time farmer with a 60 - 90 minute commute would be a lot harder.
Anyway, any dairy farms I've been on would have lads tripping you up in the yard, they all make sure they have plenty of help.
Didn't read all that post, just the bit where you quoted me. I'm not sure of your point Re the off farm income limit. When I started farming I wasn't entitled to the national reserve because I worked too hard and earned too much money outside of farming. It's only right that it was abolished. It's typical of Ireland to punish the worker and reward to slacker.
Food is political, always was, always will be. The EU may go broke, but the European Union will continue. The big European players need the economic clout/markets to keep their own economy going.
In June ‘23 the French parliament voted overwhelmingly to fight Mercosur, as did the Germans. Six months later and all has changed. The German car/heavy engineering industry is on its knees so they need access to Mercosur..at the expense of agriculture. France has changed its mind because they know that Europe needs a strong German economy and if agriculture has to be thrown under the bus, so be it.
Google translate;
https://www.francetvinfo.fr/replay-radio/un-monde-d-avance/mercosur-ou-en-est-l-accord-commercial-entre-l-europe-et-l-amerique-du-sud-qui-fait-redouter-une-concurrence-deloyale_6295326.html
As Larry David said he used to be a poor schmuck, now he's a rich dick!
Go away outa that good lad🤷🤷
Despite the vast majority of the " fair transistion" fund for climate change going to such industries. More bullshit
I agree hundred percent but more so with buying land around here, I'd say very little land around this part has been bought with borrowed money in the last 20 years.
The big get bigger and bigger, same as everything else left completely to capatilsm's own devices.
And along comes bass with everything upside down as usual.........come here and decision as to what its costing to produce milk at the moment
Yes he is making a few statements that I believe we're incorrect. Yet when questioned he refused to reply
Divide and conquer
