Old thread seems to be permanently locked. It will be interesting if anything can come of this at last.
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Sophie was the only person that wanted it kept closed, she wasn't there very often, the gate was normally kept open.
See if you can track down picture of pump house. I thought I saw one and someone commented there was no moss where the block had been so only recently moved. Dunno how reliable that is.
Have a look, you’ll notice the gate wide open, no block or stone needed.
The gate was normally closed.
The gate was normally kept closed.
It's not 100% certain, but the block was most likely taken from the pump house by the killer on night/morning.
That's because they didn't want to use the blood soaked weapon to keep the gate open after the murder.
There was no direct evidence.
There was some weak circumstantial evidence.
There was enough to treat him as a suspect but not enough to charge, prosecute or convict him, which is the conclusion the DPP came to.
No violence against his wife isnt well documented, or Bailey wouldnt have won his libel case on that point. And regardless such previous actions are not direct evidence.
Bailey was spotted in a local bar?
I really have no idea what point you think you are trying to make.
So thats direct evidence towards murder as far as you are concerned towards Bailey, everyone else in the bar, and in between?
That is not direct evidence. It is weak circumstantial evidence at best.
He was spotted in a local bar.
His violence against his wife is documented.
I answered or challenged every 'point' you made.
The gate is open in the crime scene photos without a block.
You didn't answer anything or make any points.
He was in the area? You dont know who was or wasnt in the area that night. It is not direct evidence of anything.
Similarly you dont know how many people in the area had a history of violence.
The scenario and motive outlined by AGS is highly unlikely with few if any similar cases.
Most likely is person or persons unknown.
That roof was rotten and collapsed for some time, it wasn't torn off.
The block came from the wall of the pump house but was used on the lane to keep the gate open for some time before the murder.
The big stone that was the other murder weapon was previously used to keep it open but the gate would rattle and get loose on windy nights.
I'm talking about most likely.
He was in the area. 100 percent.
He had beat his wife. 100 percent.
He had confessed or joked about it.
The scratches have been debated and possibly explained. And no corresponding forensics found at the scene.
He was in the area - thats not direct evidence. Applies to lots of people unless you believe fantasist Marie Farrell.
History of violence - not direct evidence. Applies to multiple people in the area.
The so called confessions - debated and possibly explained.
Well there is a lot of direct evidence. Maybe not courtroom evidence.
He had scratches. He was in the area. He had a record of domestic violence. Admitted to the murder twice. It was very likely to have been him.
I don't think there's a pro-Bailey narrative just an agreement with DPP that there's not an enough evidence to prosecute him. Also that the Gardai were incompetent and corrupt and were myopic and should've been looking at other suspects.
The crime scene threw up no forensic evidence.
Assuming she did run from her attacker, she'd just run in any direction away from him.
If that missing gate turns up there it's definitely was him
Theres a big difference between Bailey being 'at the scene' and alleging contaminating the scene or body.
In the Garda File Bailey is reported as arriving at 14.20 and was at the cordon.
Nothing of Baileys was found at the scene. Neither from an alleged attack or alleged contamination.
Having read the DPP report and aware of Garda shenanigans based on the information available on balance Bailey looks innocent to me. Thoroughly investigated by fair means and foul by AGS and only debateable circumstantial evidence turned up.
There's a photo of the pumphouse with the roof having been torn off.
The block came from there.
I don't think many here are pro-Bailey. I think the overriding feeling here is he was an awful man but some don't think he murdered Sophie. You don't have to think he didn't do it and be "pro" the man.
When all is said and done, the following are true:
There was also a lot going on in that locality to warrant further investigation of other individuals.
And on the DNA point, for me it just beggars belief that after a long day, a few drinks in the pub and a 50 minute (at least) walk to Sophie's house, Bailey wasn't sloppy enough to leave some DNA. Lets also be clear, the Gardai tried to pin this on him so will have done all in their power to find any piece of his DNA at the scene, and they didn't.
The fact that the state pathologist didn't get to the crime scene for so long. It was not preserved well. Bailey was already there reporting at the scene.
Whats your source for the claim the crime scene was 'majorly corrupted'?
There was a delay re Harbison.
But the briars etc were checked for forensics and doesnt seem like the kind of thing easy to contaminate.
Nothing was found afaik. Not sth was found and ruled out due to possible contamination.
Why is there such a large pro-Bailey narrative here? The crime scene was majorly corrupted so lack of DNA is probably an out for any suspect.
The block was used to keep the gate open, it was there a good while.
Alfie Lyons, had corrupt relationship with the Gardai.
Also why would STDP not have run in the direction of their house for help, instead she ended running away from their house when being attacked or pursued.
...which wouldn't suit the Bailey narrative being pushed by AGS
A warning, to keep her nose out of business that didn't concern her, that ended up going too far would fit the circumstances.
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