Old thread seems to be permanently locked. It will be interesting if anything can come of this at last.
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So you're clearly approaching this with an open mind 🙄
To be honest I have no idea, both individuals were incredibly odd and it would seem they weren't the best in public situations
What turns me away from bailey, is how the guards tried to plant evidence a number of times with all the evidence people on here say goes against him
Yet they managed to lose a gate that was covered in blood, the body was found at the foot of that gate , so surly there's no need to blackmail a local woman who was having an affair to ring crime call on national television to say she saw something when in fact she didn't
Surly alarm bells were ringing in mid 1997 when Sophies husband remarried, he didn't even come over to Ireland with the family from France to identify her
And then best they could come up with was bribing a local pot head with all the hash in west cork to say he he used to see Ian bailey out walking in the middle of the night with a stick in which he called mr baileys thinking stick....
Weird how? I’ve heard that Alfie was incapable of lifting a block on here. It doesn’t exactly paint him as someone who would be getting out and about, moving drugs and getting into arguments.
I’m sure I, also, read on here that the dump was closed that day when Alfie’s wife drove the car, heading for there, while the police were at the scene.
Too many on here have never commented on his past violence. I wonder why.
But you've claimed him to be a murderer. Being a woman beating c*** doesn't make him a murderer so tell us what evidence there is to point him out as rhe murderer and not all the other woman beating c***s or the other people in the area that had the opportunity and the motive?
I haven't defended any "murderer" and haven't defended Bailey, or his character. In fact, I have no support for Bailey at all in this. The vast majority of any of my feeling in this is against the Gardai who screwed up the investigation and tried to pin it on someone (who lets be clear, could still be guilty) to the detriment of any other other leads.
You're obviously a fool who can't keep his emotions in check. In my opinion, you don't have enough evidence (circumstantial) to be as certain as you are of Bailey's guilt but as we've discovered in your last few posts, you're clearly a hot headed idiot so your opinion is probably irrelevant in this whole discussion.
I should listen to Mark Twain more often about arguing with idiots.
I don’t think anyone is defending Bailey’s past, or him as a person in general, it’s just that, when you step back a bit, it’s a hard to buy the idea that someone full of drink would trudge across the countryside in the middle of the night, without any invitation, to the house of someone he doesn’t know, or doesn’t know well, on the off chance they’ll be awake and receptive to his advances.
Then, on being rebuffed, he bludgeons her, walks a bit away to get a loose block from a pump house, which he somehow knew was there, murdered the victim, then walked a mile or two out of the way before going home without leaving any trace he was there.
I’m not excluding Bailey as a suspect, it’s just hard to square all of that and with all the Garda mismanagement, ineptitude and fraud I don’t see how he could ever have been charged and convicted.
People have skirted it, there is seriously levels of misogyny on this thread.People have downplayed it. Sorry where did you hear it was without invitation? Someone was murdered in remote west cork, ANY explanation is hard to believe. So we make our judgements based off perceived liklihood.
I think Marie Farrell concocted the Kealfada bridge story cos she knew the murder was in Toormore.
Then when Ian Bailey was identified as a suspect, it didn't make sense anymore but she stuck with it.
There is no misogyny. We all want to see the real culprit brought to justice, or at least their guilt established safely with reasonable certainty. The real culprit responsible for the death of an innocent woman. I have no interest in a witch hunt that misses the real culprit based on other past misdeeds. Or in hanging the murder on someone based on next to nothing, merely because someone's name must be assigned against it.
That is not doing justice to the victim either.
Alfie Lyons is as valid a suspect as Ian Bailey, if not more.
I hope the police investigated him properly.
You could have said exactly the same about Joanna Hayes.
Aaah says there person who has never ever referenced his violence. Horse ****, past misdeeds - ffs
I don't think anyone is defending a murderer. What is being defended is the necessity for due process.
Wtf are you pulling the misogyny card ? It's **** all to do with it, just because he was a women beating scumbag doesn't mean he killed sdp. Are you saying anyone who thinks he didn't do it are misogynists ?
Going by your theory every wife beater or man with a history of violence living in West Cork should also be a suspect.
And sure, it doesn't matter which one, just pick one as a scapegoat, he deserves it, must be guilty of something.
Never mind it means the real culprit might get off scot free.
Ah so I guess you're on a long windup here so
You're posting that Ian Bailey couldnt recollect where he was that nite cos of poor memory
Meanwhile Jules lied and said he was in bed and they both changed their stories later
This is nonsense
Jules changed her story when it was put to her that he was seen at the bridge
Then bailey admitted he left the bed to do some writing
Alfie was an American who spoke fluent Russian and Italian which is interesting
I thought he was from Dublin
I think two key questions to answer are:
1) Why did the killer walk 20 feet up the drive to the pumphouse to get the cinder block to finish her off?
2) How did he know the cinder block was loose?
I have an interesting theory but don't want to say it.
Spit it out
Just on the pumphouse, is it in a location where someone, like Bailey, could have stumbled against while, drunkenly, walking along the road?
Lol
Or in similar vein, could the pumphouse have been used as cover by someone to spy on the house.
Lets just be clear, it is perfectly acceptable to think that Bailey was a terrible man and also think that he didn't murder Sophie. Thinking that he didn't murder Sophie doesn't mean that a person therefore thinks Bailey is a great lad and his awful acts on Jules are irrelevant.
This thread is about the murder of Sophie Toscan du Plantier. Someone having a different opinion with you on who did it or on what might have happened doesn't make them "scum". And you calling me scum because you disagree with me on who may have murdered her just makes you a small minded fool.
Don't keep us all in suspense on both threads lol
What time is the reveal ?
I'll be doing a press conference from my shed at 2pm.
Alternatively pm me
It's next to the driveway.
I think Bailey's innocent though. Unfortunately he never got the opportunity to clear his name.
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