Old thread seems to be permanently locked. It will be interesting if anything can come of this at last.
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They didn't bribe the local pot heads to become witnesses for another 3 years, it was only when bailey took the newspapers to court that they rolled out their new witnesses
I have yet to hear of a just case in this country in which the guards had to do anything like this
I have heard of several unjust cases that they have done it in
They also want us to believe that he walked the best part of 5 miles to her house, and walked back home again after killing her and nobody saw him bar one of them witnesses
I agree they panicked, but they got it badly wrong,
Bailey was completely nuts granted , but I think there's a lot more to this case
5miles???
It's 4km each way.
It's possible he drove though.
I think he was innocent anyway.
I think this was done by someone close to her. Ian Bailey barely knew her.
it was 3 miles as the crow fly's, if he had gone the road by kilpadder bridge where he was supposed to have been seen it would have been 5 miles
I wouldn't be getting my measurements from that article
It's got the distance by road and the crow flies as the same
Jaysis the Sun.
If she barely ever spoke to the locals in the bar or coffee shops and kept to herself (who all seemed like reasonably normal people), I doubt she would put up with Bailey's gobbledygook for too long
No , she was a private woman who seemed to have a lot going on in her life at the time and the guards never looked into at all it would seem
Bailey was an easy target, he was annoying everyone, at the scene or in the town looking for the next big scoop ,I imagine he saw it as his big break in journalism which badly backfired
If I knew how I would put up a Google maps photo it's still within that region
Yeah....... sorry about the sun 🤣
How do you explain the fact he had a false alibi for the night ?
Changed his story later
Why do you think he would need it if he was innocent?
I plainly put it down to him being a drunk , and having no recollection of the night,
And Jules too she lied and said he was in be all night
Why did she do it ?
She knew very few people in Ireland. Mostly only interacted with neighbours, workmen, housekeeper.
I remember in the Joe O'Reilly case, the detective said he knew immediately it was someone close to the victim as he could see the hate and rage in the way she'd been bludgeoned in the face. It was personal. Joe O'Reilly tried to stage it then to look like a burglary gone wrong.
This reminds me of that. It looks personal. So it must be someone close to her.
It's just poor memory. I don't think it's suspicious. If you asked me what I was doing a month ago, I wouldn't have a clue.
Ian Bailey's a functional alcoholic also. He was drinking all weekend. Slept on someone's couch the night before. Most 39 year olds have settled down by then.
Google;
Shortcuts not possible and nor did he have wings to fly. (2.5 miles, 4.1km each way)
You realise he had to come back ?
Via Kealfada bridge, for those that still think he may have gone that way ;( 7 miles, 11.2 km)
I read somewhere that Alfie Lyons was deemed to frail to bash Sophie's head in with the block that they believe was used.
Bailey on the other hand is a strapping younger man over 6ft tall.
And while we are here Bailey also had a history of violence towards women, was know to walk the roads and by roads of the area late and night, and even though a regular drinker, acted "differently" after drinking whiskey.
On the dump thing, the Gardai may have checked the boot of Sherly's car before going to dump.
Just because Sherley went to dump doesn't mean Gardai didn't investigate before she went.
The Lyons Foster couple never emerged as serious suspects in the publics mind in this, I'd say that's because Gardai had plenty of reasons to rule them out, reasons that we don't know nor don't need to know.
This is nonsense.
Jules clearly stated that after returning from the bar (and drinking merrily with the good Ian), she popped some pain killers and went to bed.
Medication can make you drowsy anyway, but throw in a feed of drink and fatigue on top of that, and you have the perfect slumber.
The nature of my work keeps me out till the small hours quite regularly, my Mrs doesn't register me getting in and out of bed (and she doesn't drink).
You are asking a medicated woman under the influence of drink did she recall her partner leaving the bedroom during the night - As far as she was concerned, he scrambled in at some point, the assumption was that he remained there...
She didn't lie - She gave a truthful answer based on her memory (albeit slightly impaired)
remember - She wasn't asked this question the morning after the murder - It was a considerable time later!
I would have difficulty recalling my hour by hour activities going back to last weekend - And I wouldn't have a bulls notion if the Mrs got up during the night to visit the bathroom, or indeed what time she got up at all.
The fact are, the Gards couldn't pin it on him, not one jot of evidence exists to place Bailey at the murder scene.
Not one jot of evidence was discovered at Baileys residence, the car he used, his clothes, his diaries.. Nothing!
When will people draw the line under Ian Bailey as being the prime suspect? On what evidence is he even considered as a suspect?
Oh yeah, he was disliked, he clattered his partner, he was obnoxious, and most importantly, the key stone cops were under huge pressure to make an arrest and get the story off the news outlets - Not good for tourism.
Alfie was supposed to be frail, but for all we know, he was actually doing ok at that point and was still claiming insurance.
You could just as easily argue the other way - a strapping 6ft man wouldn't need to go for a block to finish off a petite woman. A block was regularly used to prop the gate open, Sophie was annoyed about this. It must have been Alfie or Shirley doing so.
Just because Shirley went to the dump doesn't mean Gardai did investigate before she went though - I haven't seen any confirmation either way. Regardless it seems like a strange thing to do.
Neither Alfie or Shirley heard anything despite the violent murder in the adjacent property. That may be perfectly innocent, but it is also remarkable. It also suggests Alfie could have gotten up to anything outside and Shirley wouldn't know about it.
Alfie was shopped to the Guards by someone for growing weed - could he have suspected it with Sophie and held a grudge? There were numerous frictions between the neighbours over access rights, rights of way, water run off, who owned exactly what strip of land ... suspicions that Alfie had used water from Sophies when he had no running water and she was away. The locks on Sophie's property were changed, and there were no further signs of someone using the property. Alfie had one of the old keys but so did others.
Given the Garda conduct in this case, with established malpractice, the shenanigans with Marie Farrell and on other cases in the region, the idea that AGS "must have had their reasons" and we shouldn't question that doesn't stand up to a moment's scrutiny.
Sigh. Go on then, tell us what evidence there is against Bailey and why someone might be thick or an idiot for thinking its all circumstantial nonsense?
I only read about Alfie’s feebleness on here.
Was very surprised that someone in such a state could be involved with drug distribution or getting into rows over access with their neighbour.
Exactly - he was only 63, not an elderly man at all. He appeared in a french documentary and looked in good shape to me.
Yes, its always seemed odd, to me, that a man who was in prolonged and fractious dispute with Sophie, who was present at the murder scene at the time of the event, who had a bandage around is hand that morning, and who, along with his wife, claimed to have seen and heard nothing, while a vicious and lengthy assault happened yards from his house on a still frosty night, in an otherwise silent area, has not come under more public scrutiny.
Weird post.
The suggestion is the Lyons was "feeble" was that he was physically incapable of doing what was done with the block.
Drugs distribution and getting into rows with neighbours does not require a certain level of physical strength.
Nonsense - you think a 63 year old in a rage was incapable of killing a woman.
I have outlined it throughout my post. Either way he was scum and met the stick end on a street he deserved:)
One thing that you and Ian Bailey have in common (other than the obvious anger issues) is that there isn't any direct evidence placing you both at the scene on the night/morning of the murder, and that there isn't any evidence that isn't circumstantial that points to either of you committing the murder.
Tell us what evidence you have though, oh smart one.
On the contrary, I find @flanna01's summary quite detailed and informed. The gardaí's working assumption has more holes in it than a warehouse full of swiss cheese.
There's no more solid evidence against Ian Bailey than there is to support any one of several other possible scenarios.
You are scum. Continuously defend a savage woman beater and murderer.
Wonder do you all have something in common
I have no idea who Alfie Lyons was, what he looked like or anything.
But I know that the Gardai ruled him out as a suspect.
Just because the Gardai focused on Bailey doesn't mean that there were other viable suspects they wilfully ignored.
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