He died earlier from a heart attack, very curious guy whatever you think of him. If he didn’t kill Sophie Toscan du Plantier he certainly didn’t help himself by his attention seeking behaviour.
They were both in bed... great masterminds at work there coming up with that one.
You are making statements of fact as if you know exactly what happened when you simply cannot know that for sure.
Self discrediting.
Sorry what ? He said himself he didn’t drink that much that night- A few pints and a whiskey or two. Where did you hear the on the piss all day?? He could have of course just used his car.
For goodness sake. Bailey and Thomas did have their alibi agreed. It was that they were both in bed. She changed it once she thought the game was up and he was spotted nead SDP house. She came clean. Then Bailey was forced to come up with a new alibi.
How on earth can you not see this as suspicious?
Its got nothing to do with hazy recollections. Its Bailey caught out in his original lie and then forced to come up with a new lie. The man had serious issues with the truth.
That’s a very good point , I’m glad it didn’t go to court with what they had , the not guilty may have gotten some of his life back.
what are you on about back to write an article? He could have wrote the article at any stage. Back to place a piece of paper from a drawer and put it on a table.
Not only that, the risk of bringing such a case to court with weak circumstantial evidence is a high probability that a Not Guilty verdict is returned by the jury. Thus rendering Bailey a free man. Hence why 2 different DDPs on separate occasions rejecting the Garda file on the basis that the evidence was too weak to stand a reasonable chance of returning a Guilty conviction. Not to mention sparing the Gardai a very public humiliation in a court of law for bungling their investigation. It would be manna from heaven for any half decent defence barrister.
She denied all or at least most of that in the 2015 trial - I read the article earlier and I think posted it above somewhere
Not remotely the same thing. You are comparing an overnight span of hours with a particular event you saw or heard. Can you remember what time you went to bed at on 9/11? What did you do for dinner?
In your eyes Bailey is such a saint - he would never drink and drive.
You literally said even "if he is innocent". You are just contradicting yourself now.
“Karma” which I guess you’re referring to is obviously something different - for what it’s worth, yes there was poetic justice here.
Be seen in the pub until the early hours of the morning. Get home . Run the 3 miles to her house without being seen . Commit a frenzied murder without leaving a trace of yourself at the scene . Run back to the house ,again unseen , at a time of the year when people would have been out late socialising . Car contains no forensic evidence and wasn’t seen coming or going . Back to the house to write an article for a newspaper . All under the influence of probably several hours drinking.
Bollocks!
Not really when it comes to famous or traumatic events. People can easily remember decades later where they were when they heard about 9/11, Diana's death or any number of similar dramatic events.
Sorry it isn’t a travesty with regard to Bailey. I think he’s the real culprit anyway so it’s a bit moot for me.
Id need to remind myself and look online - even that piece of information got debated ad nauseum - there was also a mark on his forehead the morning after the murder ?
If the scratches were made in advance of the murder, Shirley Jules would have testified strongly to that? And maybe she did I just can’t recall now but I know when he got these scratches was highly contentious issue from statements made by witnesses in the pub
Total goalpost shift there.
He was a journalist who had turned up to previous discoveries of bodies in the area. No reason why he would think he would become a suspect - but if he did, even more reason to have had alibi down pat. He didnt. So even your own points argue against his guilt.
Given he lived close in the area, nothing remarkable he was there before other journalists and quite a few people were at the scene before him. He is recorded in the garda log as not being at the scene until 2.20 in the afternoon.
He was missing from the bed for up to eight hours. Here`s some of Jules statement that she signed in the presence of her legal rep about the night in question. They stopped on Hunt`s hill on the way home from the pub. Ian was driving....
"I stayed in the car and Ian got out for a few minutes....He asked me to get out and I refused as it was too cold....Ian got back in and said he had a bad feeling about something going to happen....When we were looking across the terrain Ian remarked "Is that Alfie`s house across the way?" and said "There is a light on there.""
So he was clearly processing thoughts about dark events and a sojourn up Sophie`s laneway and it didn`t end there.
"The two of us then went home and there was very little said except some words to the effect that he was going over later or sometime, and if I wanted to go, and I said I was too tired. I got the impression that he was going over to Alfie`s but I wasn`t sure if it was that night or not."
He still had that bee in his bonnet to go up Sophie`s laneway.
"I was in a sleep and Ian was tossing and turning. He then got up from bed and I would estimate that he got up an hour later."
Jule`s thinks he didn`t do it but the fact is she hasn`t a clue what he was up to for several hours that night and the lady who lived up Alfie`s laneway was battered to death in those hours. He turns up with a cup of coffee in the morning.
"I saw a scratch on his forehead. I am sure and I have no recollection of seeing this scratch on his forehead on the Sunday. The scratch was raw and I asked him what happened as it was fresh and a bit bloodied and he said he got it from a stick."
So not a turkey then.
But here’s the thing I think without his past violent history he wouldn’t have been as strong as a suspect - so citizens that aren’t extremely violent have less to be worried about , you reap what you sow in that regard. This also happened nearly 30 years ago I don’t think the killer still at large is that much of a thing. But yeah you are right! , case dealt with awfully because I think they were desperate but again anybody senior dealing with it would be now retired or dead. I think they had the right suspect either way.
So is that the best U got in response or can you make an intelligible argument ?
Maybe your not capable I understand
No your not, your taking scutter
He was a bit last minute wasn't he with the trees and the turkeys
When he did he say he killed the turkeys
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Article or not it takes a fair Constitution to be on the piss all day, walk 4k or more , kill someone , leave no evidence at all, walk another 4k back all in the middle of the winter.
I guess we’ll differ on that point - regardless of Baileys scummy behaviour (yes I agree with you on that) , IF he didn’t do it, then the investigating authorities have wasted dozens of years investigating the wrong person and there’s potentially a killer still at large - it’s somethnig that’s concerning for all Irish citizens - it’s not about Bailey and his innocence or otherwise- it’s the complete boll0x that was made of this investigation by the people we entrusted to solve it - that to me is the concerning aspect - I believe the Gardai need to fully account for their failings in this case- as we’ve seen they’re very quick to point the finger when they want to
Sophie Toscan du Plantier died as a result of an extremely violent and frenzied attack. Her body was so badly beaten that her neighbours who found her body at her gate did not realise that it was Sophie.
Bailey was on record as having perpetrated very serious assaults on his partner Jules Thomas in 1993 and 1996. Jules Thomas had sought a protection order against him in 1996. Thomas had been hospitalised as a result of a very severe beating. Bailey was on record as having pulled out a 4cm clump of her hair, left her with a closed black eye, severe bruising to the face and head, hands and arms, and her lip was almost completely severed from her gum.
Bailey was one of the first on the murder scence that day. Even if Bailey were innocent, he would have realised straight away that he would become a person of interest given his history of extreme violence against women.
He doesn’t even need to scribble anything down then!
Lol,all the day before Xmas eve. He was a busy man !
And the article that could have been written at any time? It’s beyond daft to claim that he needed to write the article within the window he was away from Jules. That’s just common sense.
Its a travesty because the real culprit therefore escapes blame.
Yep we will most likely never know for sure that’s the caveat with regard to everyone’s posts. The judge in those civil cases ruled he could be described as man that was violent towards women. So he is scum either way, if he is innocent of the murder - I don’t find him being blamed for it some big massive travesty of justice tbh.
Im putting forward concrete theories fully explained
Look at the rubbish^ I'm getting in response
