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Gript-A source of misinformation. **Read OP before posting**

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    #1022
    Floppybits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,677 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121661217#Comment_121661217

    That's not going to go down well some of the folks on here. Musk giving an interview to Gript, how dare he do that.



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    #1023
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121652590#Comment_121652590

    I am curious. Where does Gript get its money from?

    Or are you engaging in misinformation?



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    #1024
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121656367#Comment_121656367

    You can pick holes in any media ownership, from RTE, to Virgin to Gript.

    We all know the issues inside RTE, the wanton waste, the institutional capture that exists in that organisation. An organisation that has strayed away from journalism

    Virgin Media, does a good job, without a dime from the Tax Payer, but they are also part of a large corporation with a market value of of approx USD 7Billion. Their CEO has taken the guts of over $300 million in pay and bonuses since he took the reins.

    Spaces for Gript, along with other outlets like Indy Media (are they even still around) have their space, along with people who run podcasts, from David McWilliams, Eamon Dunphy, The Echo Chamber (a left wing podcast). These all have their place, and indeed I can guarantee you that I can find examples of misinformation in every single one of those podcasts and media outlets.



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    #1025
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121664255#Comment_121664255

    The proposed Hate Speech Law is indeed a ridiculous indictment of the institutional capture of many Irish media outlets that they are not more vocal against it.

    The law itself has more holes than Swiss cheese, and while the intent might be lofty, the outcome is at best misguided and at worst outright scary.

    Anyone who cares about civil rights, civil liberties and free speech should be against it, but then to be against it, one gets labelled the R-word or the 'Far-right' tag.



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    #1026
    Luxembourgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121664219#Comment_121664219

    So it was a coup?



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    #1027
    elperello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,922 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121664825#Comment_121664825

    Of course you can, be my guest.

    We know exactly how much RTE gets in funding.

    You seem to have had a look under the bonnet at Virgin so figures are available there.

    I didn't say Gript shouldn't exist. I have followed links from here and read some of their output.

    However I don't regard them as a reliable news source and I wouldn't subscribe to them.



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    #1028
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 33,400 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121664963#Comment_121664963

    More of an attempted coup, in the context of a coup being an attempt by outside forces to overthrow the democratically elected government.



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    #1029
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121664987#Comment_121664987

    That is fine, but you do know that Gript are registered with the Press Council of Ireland are subject to its regulations.

    Gript appears to be run on a shoestring. How many people actually work for them? Less than 10?


    And for the record, I dont subscribe to them or give them money nor am I on any mailing list of theirs.


    However, there is a wider issue at play here, in regards the funding of media in general.

    There is bits of gold here.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27GEY67Wf-Q




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    #1030
    elperello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,922 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121665251#Comment_121665251

    I knew that.

    I don't care how many people they have or how tight their budget is.

    We agree on that I don't give them money either.

    Funding of media is interesting. Thanks for the link I'll check it out later.



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    #1031
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,236 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121664784#Comment_121664784

    What misinformation?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #1032
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121668805#Comment_121668805

    Do you know where Gript is getting its money from, or are you just throwing it out there to let it hang as some kind of innuendo?



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    #1033
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,236 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121668885#Comment_121668885

    Oh OK. No. There's no misinformation in my post. 👍

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #1034
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121668901#Comment_121668901

    OK

    But at the same time, you don't know where their money comes from.



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    #1035
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,236 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121668906#Comment_121668906

    That's correct

    We do know

    Iona got Money from Russia

    Gript has links to Youth Defence which has known USA links and funding

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #1036
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121668910#Comment_121668910

    OK, so you are saying it gets its funding from Youth Defence or some American source?

    Can you prove this?

    You wouldn't want to be accused of spreading misinformation now do we?



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    #1037
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,236 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121668968#Comment_121668968

    No I didn't say that.

    Read my post. There is no misinformation in my post.

    Gript has links to Youth Defence. That is completely true.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #1038
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121668973#Comment_121668973

    I have.

    You said the following.

    About the question of how Gript gets its funding, you said the following..

    We do know

    Then you threw out links to Youth Defence, the USA and threw Iona into the mix.


    So if you know, can you share it, please?

    Otherwise, you are engaging in misinformation if I may say.



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    #1039
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,236 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121668985#Comment_121668985

    No

    We know Gript has links to Youth Defence. There is no misinformation in my post.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #1040
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121668996#Comment_121668996

    But you do or don't know where it gets its funding.

    It's a simple question, and your coy, short answers are just adding to confusion and accusations of misinformation.



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    #1041
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,236 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121669017#Comment_121669017

    There is no misinformation. I've answered that already. Go back and read what I said.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #1042
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121669029#Comment_121669029

    I did and you are saying contradictory things in multiple posts.

    You claim to know where Gript gets its funding, yet you cannot prove any of this.

    That is misinformation in not only my book but the textbook definition of the word.



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    #1043
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,236 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121669036#Comment_121669036

    You are not reading my posts correctly. Not my problem.

    I never claimed I know where Gript gets its funding. Please don't misrepresent me and spread misinformation about my posts.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #1044
    crusd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,134 ✭✭✭crusd


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121653734#Comment_121653734

    Myers has generally been a fact free zone for more than 20 years now, so its a match made in heaven



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    #1045
    elperello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,922 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121669017#Comment_121669017

    Surely the pertinent question is does anyone know where Gript get their money ?

    I'm putting it out there.



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    #1046
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,039 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121664825#Comment_121664825

    Virgin Media TV does get licence fee funding for home-produced dramas.

    Apart from Gript, none of the outlets you mentioned have an explicit agenda of spreading disinformation, sowing division and fostering hatred, so no it's not "just another media outlet" or "just another viewpoint".

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



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    #1047
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121669131#Comment_121669131

    I never claimed I know where Gript gets its funding.

    Yet you said this in relation to the question earlier.

    We do know


    No, after a protracted back an forth, you admit, you have no idea where Gript gets its funding from.



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    #1048
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121669476#Comment_121669476

    Apart from Gript, none of the outlets you mentioned have an explicit agenda of spreading disinformation, sowing division and fostering hatred, so no it's not "just another media outlet" or "just another viewpoint".

    If that is their explicit agenda, how are they registered with the Press Council?

    Maybe because that is your opinion only.



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    #1049
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121669283#Comment_121669283

    The same could be said for many small-time media outlets.

    Look at The Ditch, we think Paddy Cosgrave bankrolled them via The Web Summit but now that funding has been pulled we are not sure. This is a man who has been in Court more often than I have had hot dinners.

    Roman Shorthall works for them. This is a man who left a €50,000 debt for not paying his rent.

    The Ditch was founded by Chay Bowes among others. This is a man who is now employed by Russia Today and has long been a staunch advocate of Putin and his version of Russian History.


    So, if we are talking about dirty foreign money in Irish media, look no further than The Ditch.



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    #1050
    elperello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,922 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121669596#Comment_121669596

    I know about the Ditch and it's merry crew.

    I don't regard it as a reliable source of news either.

    Maybe someone will come along and explain the Gript funding.



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    #1051
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121669654#Comment_121669654

    Maybe someone will come along and explain the Gript funding.

    The Gript is a relatively small business at the end of the day IMO.

    They probably have very little funding and are run on a shoestring. I think people are looking for ghosts where are there none.

    And unless actual evidence comes to the fore contrary to that, I won't be indulging in conspiracies.



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