He died earlier from a heart attack, very curious guy whatever you think of him. If he didn’t kill Sophie Toscan du Plantier he certainly didn’t help himself by his attention seeking behaviour.
Yes of all the scenarios about the murder, the french hitman with a rock one is probably the most farcical and one which least stands up to scrutiny. This murder was certainly not planned in France.
He was convicted and given a suspended sentence. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30024827.amp. Fairly violent stuff.
Regards the gardai botching the investigation, some did. The more professional forensic gardai did some tests however. They were unable to reproduce the injuries he said came from cutting trees. They also found evidence of burned clothes. And he also changed his alibi on at least one occassion with both him and his partner giving an initial false alibi. A false alibi alone would be considered a crime and raises question marks. There is more than enough evidence, circumstantial or not to put him squarely as chief suspect. But this case always lacked hard evidence, just as many similar cases have. But 9 times out of 10 the chief suspect is usually to blame once the hard evidence comes through or is presented in court.
Doesn't that make the lack of conviction all the more puzzling given how many cards were theoretically in the prosecutors favour? Was he a loose cannon who was an easy suspect for the Gardai or was it incompetence on behalf of the Gardai that let a murderer die an innocent man? Strange on the back of a barring order that he wasn't pursued for domestic abuse as said abuse was the reason for the order. The Gardai may have felt the failed attempt to convict him of murder might have prejudiced a conviction in that context.
The real tragedy of this case is that the murder of Sophie Toscan De Plantier still hasn't been solved. The longer it goes unsolved the more remote the chances of solving the case becomes. Whilst there was a self confessed suspect the case against him wasn't proved and he has died an innocent man re this case. None of us can say with any certainty why he would confess to an action he wasn't proven to have committed.
I detect some touches of misogyny here & there on this thread. Just as illogical as when Joe Duffy eulogised convicted husband killer Catherine Nevin after her death was announced during Liveline. I know Bailey wasn’t convicted but he was a “dark” character who beat his common-law wife. People have strange reactions when they eulogise/para-eulogise the most dubious characters in the public realm. Like an anti-hero worship. I would worry a bit about the minds of such thinkers.
Except it doesn't indicate total innocence
The available evidence (see senan Moloney yesterday) points to Bailey as the most likely suspect
That's even after you take into account Garda shenanigans and Marie Farrell
Now there are many non rational or non logical thinking persons who don't concur with above
Nah it was the French hit man with the rock!
All he said was "I did it".
Did what exactly?
Thats your confession?
I know enough about the basic facts of case to know when there is misrepresentation going on.
The violent nature of the murder would also point to mental health issues. The more you look at the case the more boxes he ticks as chief suspect. Possible mental health issues, history of violence towards women, false alibis, admissions of guilt.
the confession where he was in tears telling the couple on NyE that he did it was neither snarky or sarcastic according to the two witnesses who testified to this. Some people don’t know some very basic points about the case.
Given the lengths AGS went to to pin this on Bailey, by fair means and foul, and they could only rustle up flimsy, debateable circumstantial evidence... seizing on snarky/sarcastic remarks as 'confessions', dodgy dealings with Marie Farrell and Martin Graham, evidence lost and tampered with.
On balance of probabilities that leads me to think Bailey is innocent of the murder.
No we can’t prove he did it. Just guessing on a message board. I find it odd some people fully ruling him out though. Oh and a reminder I feel important to tag on- he confessed on more than one occasion.
I would have no issue with Bailey being jailed for domestic abuse. This still does not equal him being a murderer and the poor case that the Gardai made gives a lot of people reasonable cause to believe they fixated on a guy who was entirely innocent and failed to investigate other avenues. Or they absolutely botched the case against Bailey. Either way they fecked up royally.
There’s a few on here that would lap it up tbh! Last poster wasn’t even convinced he beat his partner.
haha and that’s what I’m doing speculating. You didn’t even know he beat his partner . You have spent the last half an hour defending scum , Good night
Your hatred for Bailey ain't going to make him guilty or bring Sophie toscan de plantier back. In the absence of a conviction all any of us can do is speculate. Goodnight.
Comedy gold
Dunno who his target audience with that scutter could be
Hahaha ffs
No it doesn’t. But it’s adds to the probability, of course it does. What are you on about grounds to believe??? Him , his solicitor , and HER talked about it. You gotta be taking the piss . You are a serious piece of work. Course there’s nothing I can do about it , what a Bizzare thing to say. Tbh you haven’t a clue about the case whatsoever , to not have known he had beaten his partner shows the lack of knowledge and that’s fine , but why bother commenting about something you haven’t the slightest clue of.
Then we have grounds to believe he was a domestic abuser and I would condemn him wholeheartedly on that score. However that doesn't mean he murdered Sophie Toscan De Plantier. You can wish him to be the suspect or the actual accomplice all you want but he has gone to his grave an innocent man regarding the murder of Ms De Plantier and there is nothing you can do about it no matter how much you seem to hate him.
Did ya see the video I posted it's comical
Worth a repost😁
Pure horsesh1t from bailey
The unnamed dead suspect from Bantry he believes knew Sophie
He wrote in his diary that he wanted to murder her. He admitted to beating her 3 times , she got a court order against him https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30650946.html. His solicitor has also talked about him beating her . I’m not sure if that will all be enough for you tbh
Unless you can prove he murdered her then he is entitled to be considered innocent. That is not jumping to his defence or feeling sorry for him that is simply a fact. Was he convicted of assaulting his partner?
No I believe he was right to be a suspect and I do think the chances are he killed her yes. Nah when you batter someone like he did you are entitled to nothing in my opinion, again I amnt talking legally, it’s a message board. I don’t really get some posters jumping to defence of a scumbag either but people are allowed to have opinions.
You are correct it is a message board. You believe Ian Bailey killed Ms De Plantier. I don't know either way. But if the state couldn't prove it then he is/was entitled to be considered innocent no matter what your opinions on him are. Innocence until proven guilty is the basis of our legal system.
That’s it . On the balance of probability it was probably him , we will likely never know . But it’s unlikely it was a French hitman with a rock.
Typo edited 😁
Did confess
I never said he did lol
Correct
Nothing can be proven on this topic here
Not even enough evidence for a prosecution
Also agree it's bizarre posters being adamant he is innocent despite the evidence
Probably just human nature in some to always seek alternative theories and suspects and of course many are simply contrarians always seeking to argue an alternative view
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