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The new recycling system

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,918 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    You are wrong it's not a fake offer.

    I've been buying that beer since they first began stocking it.

    I bought it the other day for minimum price.

    It can't be sold any cheaper.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭Genghis


    I think re-turn likely ignored what many sectors said, no doubt retail and producers also raised objections too.

    I wonder was tetrapak another reason dairy was excluded. In the sense that Tetra Pak (unlike PET or aluminium) is is not easily recycled and perhaps not worth collecting in RVMs.

    While re-turn could have included plastic dairy containers in the scheme, maybe the dairy sector said fine, do that but we will simply move everything dairy to Tetrapak, an overall worse outcome.

    I see that Germany is about to bring refrigerated dairy into the pfand scheme, but I believe Tetra Pak is not used there to the same extent it is here.

    https://www.thelocal.de/20230818/pfand-how-germany-plans-to-expand-its-bottle-deposit-scheme-in-2024



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I most certainly am not wrong, because I asked to confirm the price.

    We must be talking about a different Ale then.

    The claim today is it previously sold for €10 and discounted to 7.49.

    It's the 4 pack 330ml.

    I never gave more than 7.49 for them. Maybe 6.89 from memory or even lower.

    Could be priced wrong in store, but still net result. No cheap ale for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    It is a mystery, this is styled to catch on the go litter.

    Do many people walk around drinking out of 2 or 3 litre bottle?

    I very much doubt it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,918 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    You most certainly are wrong.

    The beer I mentioned is Crafty Pale Ale.

    Selling at €4.69 for 4x330ml (it is 4.5%)

    I don't know how you got confused but let's put it behind us and get back to recycling ♻️



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    That's the one.

    7.49 down from 10.

    Confirmed by the helpful staff member stocking the wine whilst I was there.

    Someone is wrong, but it certainly isn't me.

    👍️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,807 ✭✭✭creedp


    Yea but in reality the primary objective of this scheme is to prove a 90% recyclable rate for PET bottles to our EU overlords with lucrative clean aluminium cans thrown in as a sweetener. What other was could the Govt employ to achieve this while doing fcuk all itself. Just sit back and watch the citizens doing the heavy lifting while accepting the EU plaudits for being best in class yest again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,918 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Ridiculous.

    You can't even admit you got it wrong saying I posted a fake.

    I have a load of it in the garage and the receipt 🧾

    Fake that 🙂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,873 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Aluminium cans don't need to be clean though. Using the term "EU overlords" suggests you don't know what the EU is either, laughable comment really

    What other scheme would you suggest they could implement that would give a 90%+ recycling rate and the ease of recycling that the DRS gives?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    No i didn't.

    I gave you my factual experience from going into Lidl this morning.

    It was you who said I was wrong.

    I'm not.

    Like I said it could have priced wrong in store.

    But again, I doubt anyone else cares, so move on.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    It's a collection rate not a recycling rate. Extremely important distinction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,873 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,918 ✭✭✭✭elperello




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Provided several times already.

    Specific targets include

    • a 77% separate collection target for plastic bottles by 2025 – increasing to 90% by 2029
    • incorporating 25% of recycled plastic in PET beverage bottles from 2025, and 30% in all plastic beverage bottles from 2030




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,807 ✭✭✭creedp


    Ah Jaysus I take it back, fair fcuks to the Irish Govt for self imposing a hard 90% recycling target on itself



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭BoardsBottler


    Another DRS scheme, but one where they actually reward people, and accept all cans not just ones with their logo on it. More importantly one where the cost is not footed to the customer. Or making all shops reduce their item by 15-25c to make up for the price of the deposit.

    A SOLUTION: maybe they should have a small mini separate bin/machine next to the RVM, a machine that accepts damaged/broken/flattened cans, does not need any barcode visible, and instead pays out by weight. So if a can is damaged to the point that getting a deposit back is obviously impossible, then not all hope/money is lost. The small mini-machine can have something built into it that tests the metal, weighs it, and then pays out a fraction of a deposit for the damaged cans. like lets say you have x2 cans that would have gotten you 20c back normally if not damaged, well this new idea mini machine thingy still gives you back 5c for each of those. How does that sound? alot of people would like this i imagine.

    They just want the quick easy money cash grab recyclables and to up their recycling stats at your expense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,160 ✭✭✭JDxtra


    The bloody size of the recycling machines is insane. There are two in Dunnes Stores, Maynooth - taking up a large area of floor space inside the store.

    The install cost, maintenance and running costs of these must be high. I bet the cost to the environment of having these machines turned on burning power will be higher than any gains made by the recycling. Especially when you consider the majority of these items already go into a recycling bin today.

    Couple this with the fact that I’m literally never going to use one. Lug a pile of empties back for 20c when I have a bin outside my door. Ehh, no thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92,394 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    The sooner dopey Eamon and his party are gone the better



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,213 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    This would have come in within ~2 years regardless of government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,185 ✭✭✭bren2001




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,185 ✭✭✭bren2001


    What do you reckon their power consumption is?

    I am going to shock you in saying….not a lot. They’re sitting idle the majority of the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,918 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    You bet ?

    Not very convincing especially when you are going to throw money into your bin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭Genghis


    I'm aiming to never use them either, but I am also determined to never be caught out paying a deposit.

    I will be doing this by buying in glass bottles, or in larger than 3L containers, using a sodastream at home, and shopping cross border for other items (until a DRS is introduced there at least).

    Very doable, and much greener too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,160 ✭✭✭JDxtra


    Time is money. I’m not going out of my way for a few cent. I’m already doing the right thing by recycling the items.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,160 ✭✭✭JDxtra


    There was heat coming off the units in Dunnes today. They also had displays on full time. These things are using power when idle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭TokTik


    I plan on black binning everything. No point in paying for 3 bins when 1 will do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,185 ✭✭✭bren2001


    How much power do they consume? You’ve made a statement about the environment. Do you complain about vending machines and other equivalent devices?

    In the grand scheme, they’re gonna consume sweet fcuk all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭BoardsBottler


    i like that! i'm determined to use them as much as possible. BUT i'm also determined to pay as close to no deposits as possible.

    i'm more aiming for free deposit redeems from other peoples cans who have no desire to go all the way to the RVMs. nice little earner ;)

    and keeping my ears to the ground and keeping an eye out for any others that come my way. Is there any guisnuess world records out there for most RVM deposit redeems in a single visit? and does this scheme have the deposits capped? i recall the other DRS schemes that offere insote vouchers had it capped at €2 being the most a person can redeem at any givin transaction.

    They just want the quick easy money cash grab recyclables and to up their recycling stats at your expense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,918 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Sorry your not convincing me.

    Go ahead and wreck your wallet.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭BoardsBottler


    i have'nt a clue, but i spent a while looking at 2 massive ones inside of a big supermarket franchise the other day, and both was left powered on with a green lights inside, and 2 touch screen looking digital screens that said something like "currently not in use, please come back febuary 1st" and a big giant red X. No idea why they was even left on if they're not even gonna be in use till atleast another 2 weeks.

    If anything i'm guessing these big businuess don't care about wasting electric per say, because they probebly have a bill that comes in where they pay a set amount per month, usually always the same set amount regardless of usage. Buinsuess pay electric costs differently than domestic home users which is weird.

    Alot of energy and environment waste also comes down to big business part they play. Some of them may opt for cheaper packaging (i believe for pr reasons and to make it look like they care but really its just because it costs less) but with this electric example, and other things like manufacturing, do they really care?

    Aslong as they pay their "green tax" they can continue polluting. Essentially its profiting off of their pollution, by taxing it. Some intentionally choose to pay this tax instead of refusing to pollute, because more money (what they really care about).

    They just want the quick easy money cash grab recyclables and to up their recycling stats at your expense.



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