It's still wrong for a government department to give preferential treatment to a private business.
Take your racist dirt elsewhere
Now we ARE going round in circles.
It's not up to him to get in touch. It's up to the Department to provide a fair opportunity to all players.
Where does it say that?
That isn’t the way things work. The info is there for all architects. If your architect is not on top of what grants are available find another.
The dept concern is to get the info to the home seekers and builder. Johnny in his office in Carndonagh busy doing domestic homes in a rural area isn’t of much use. Horses for courses
It's not preferential treatment.
Assuming that they just responded to his request for a meeting to discuss matters relating to their remit there is no onus on them to go looking for others who may want the same.
It's not like a tender that needs to be advertised.
Every small architectural / engineering business dealing with housing will be having multiple queries monthly re grants.
As an Engineer in that game I've personally attempted to contact the County Council regarding a few basic queries and I got no response yet Bannon has a private meeting with the department.
Why don't the department advertise these briefings 1 per week or something like that.
Presently, we are working blind and only giving clients basic advice.
These grants are proving more difficult to obtain than they really should be.
It isn’t RTI’s fault the government is not doing it’s job.
Bannon asked and he got his meeting. If the dept and CC’s are failing in their remits thats a different issue.
Are you a member of a professional body like Engineers Ireland ?
Maybe if such a body approached the Department something could be arranged.
It sounds like some sort of briefing is badly needed.
DB has opened the door.
Yes I am a member of Engineers Ireland. I would expect if approached by professional body that the government would facilitate that.
If the info is there for all architects, why did Bannon need a briefing.
It's not a tender but the Department still has an obligation to act fairly with all stakeholders. We all know that other architects wouldn't have got the meeting with the Minister's advisors.
Please leave me out of that "we all".
Thanks.
I don’t know. Do you?
Me too.
Politics using TV to get their message our is pretty much the norm across the world.
The thread seems to be going around in circles the last few pages.. apart from one strange tangent that may have been posted in error?
I wonder what the next episode will throw up.
The majority of it is the most stupid pointless rubbish you’d ever see. Constant repetition presented as fact.
So you reckon that any architect who rang up the Department with a query was invited in for a high level meeting? I've got a bridge to sell you, mate.
What message did the Minister or his advisor get out? Information on the grants is widely available on government websites and from councils. When ordinary members of the public ask the council can they knock down half or most of a house to get the Refurbishment grant for Vacant and Derelict houses, they are told the house has to be vacant and derelict and even then, they must keep most of the structure: otherwise it would be a new build and that is not what the Refurbishment grant for Vacant and Derelict houses was set up for. For "enviromental reasons as well" (his exact words) , sez the man in the council.
So the message from the politician, who used tv to get out the message, is you are a special case if you have a private meeting with the minister or his advisor?
Extremely few other people around the country have got the grant and in some areas average waiting time for a pre-planning meeting with the council is 141 days....that is just to speak to someone in the council, not the minister's advisor.
Thank God what goes on here in Ireland is not the norm across the world, show me another country with the 99k grants farce on what Bannon's design team called "essentially a New-Build" (their exact words) on Room to Improve last weekend.
If you think that a few people stamping their feet about grants is gonna change how access works around the world, (not just here), you really should not be left alone with the telly remote.
This is for the politics or CA forum.
But go on, what data have you got on the grants dispersal or is this someone who you met in the pub told you this?
The 'message' seems obvious to me anyway - look what you can do with government grants.
The 'message' seems obvious to most people - " look what you can do with government grants " if you have the right connections.
You are right, its not what you know, it is who you know. Even if your property is genuinely vacant and much more derelict than that bungalow sold for 303k the previous year.
The insinuation/allegation you are making is: Bannon and RTE had a meeting with the Dept., the Dept then got on to Tipperary CoCo and told them and their officials to hand out 100,000 to a couple who did not qualify for it.
Then RTE Bannon and the Dept told the media about this 'meeting' then RTE broadcast a programme where the corruption was SO evident MOST people spotted it.
That about it?
No I don't.
Not in the market for a bridge ATM but I built a few.
No. We do not know what happened at the private meeting between Bannon/Irwin and the ministers's advisor. We do know that elsewhere in the country the local council was asked about the grant / to clarify the grant and the reply was that for the "Refurbishment grant for Vacant and Derelict houses" half or most of the house could NOT be demolished for the grant. "That is not what the grant was for", "for environmental reasons also" etc.
Also the house had to be genuinely vacant and derelict.
Bannon's team on Room to Improve called it "essentially a New-Build". Their words, not mine.
LOL - what a hill to die on!
Seems to me Furze that after a week there seems to be only one group 'dying' - the conspiracy theorists. No traction at all from what I can see and I am long enough in the tooth to know how these things normally work.
Might be useful to others. There's at least two Facebook groups worth looking at
Irish Cottage and Farm Building Restoration - admin by a lime company in the business, based in Cork.
Derelict/vacant house restoration Ireland - admin is a chap in the business in Donegal I think.
Lots of repetitive queries and varying advice on both but well worth sifting through.
No. We do not know what happened at the private meeting between Bannon/Irwin and the ministers's advisor.
Yes we do know.
Speaking at the RTÉ campus today, Bannon detailed that he and Irwin were briefed on “what the grants were all about”.
A spokesperson for the department told The Journal a briefing on the “mechanics of the scheme” was provided in the meeting.
If you think something else happened that is an allegation and a theory. Some would say...a conspiracy theory
We do know that elsewhere in the country the local council was asked about the grant / to clarify the grant and the reply was that for the "Refurbishment grant for Vacant and Derelict houses" half or most of the house could NOT be demolished for the grant.
How do we know this?
And how does it impinge on other cases? Each case is different/.
Bannon and his Q.S. should not have needed to request with the Misinster's adviser just to find out “what the grants were all about”.
They were already building professionals, working in the field for many years and it was already their job to know “what the grants were all about”.
Do not treat the rest of us like fools.
So you are alleging that something else happened at this meeting.
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