No, because it's not a long term exception
My understanding is that it's up to the importers to register and barcode the products. I assume it'll end up being like foreign products which have a sticker with English language ingredients and nutritional information.
No it's only for un-barcoded cans in multipacks, as they can't be scanned by the return machines without a barcode.
Yes the importer will be "first to place the item on the market" therefore they have responsibility to register. However there is a cost associated with placing cans on the market (1c per can), plus cost of the sticker and the cost of applying the sticker which might be off putting. Additionally barcodes need to be registered 6 weeks in advance of landing in the market and the product uploader does not let you select a market date earlier than this when you register the product, smaller brands may not work that far ahead with their importers. I suppose the importer could order, register and hold stock until the reg is approved.
I am already seeing barcode reuse by Irish breweries, same barcode on different releases. While this is going to break other rules, and probably the scheme rules too, I could see this being used as a workaround
Oh the retailers won't like that... Not at all! I've seen listings lost over cans scanning in as other products where a barcode was reused accidently.
And it'll make scanning the right beer into Untappd a pain! #FirstWorldProblems
I was chatting to yer man at the off license, and it seems pretty bleak in terms of outlook for US / UK / non-Irish special beers, as we expect. Core ranges too from outside Ireland might be scoped back.
I know we'll adjust in time, it's just a bit lousy that the scheme may end up decimating the variety of beers we get in Ireland - hopefully just in the short term?
Has there been talk of such a deposit return scheme at an EU level? One logo, one deposit rate, one system?
Nobody would want to bring anything in right now anyway - release it to market with no sticker and it'll have a five month shelf life; can't (officially!) release it market for another two weeks with a sticker.
Is this the end of craft beer advent calendars with exclusive beers not available elsewhere?
Also, if customs intercept any packages to Ireland, will they refuse to release them without the barcodes?
Bottles aren't in scope, that needs to be remembered.
"Nothing" - other than cost and time, which is clearly going to stop lots of people - to stop someone doing an advent calendar of specials to get them all registered either.
Customs have only semi recently even started offering to let people pay the duty on intercepts; they may just go back to automatic destruction.
I don't see how it would affect the advent calendars. You can still have exclusive beers as long as they have a barcode on them and the deposit on all the cans is added to the package price.
At the very least an EU wide logo, there's only so much room on the label 😂
You'll have to go to 440s by the time the UK, Portuguese etc ones come in
This is it - at work atm, so don't have a can handy (lol) but I feel like there's usually already two pant logos for Denmark and Sweden [??], plus a recycle logo, plus a no-drinking-during-pregnancy-logo. Now a Re-Turn logo needs to be added.
Sweden and Norway normally, the Danish logo I've only seen in Denmark.
The Dutch Statiegeld logo turns up a fair bit too. Kinnegar cans have a French specific recycling logo (they don't have a deposit system, yet). US cans often have a list of states and their different deposits.
There's already different language rules in different countries so a lot of breweries have two or three different label sets that cover a few countries each.
How is it not possible for this system to use the barcode already on the product?
Because there are years and years worth of cans/bottles without a deposit paid on them that have that barcode on them.
But they'd have to individually register, and presumably relabel each beer at whatever time and expense that would take for a very small batch of beers. I don't see how it could be cost effective unless they're selling thousands of the calendars.
But nobody has years and years worth of cans/bottles stashed away in a lockup, in the hope that some day, any day now, the government would bring in a deposit return scheme and they'd be quids-in, able to rock up with a Hiace to their local Spar, depositing can after can...
On another of the ten threads on here about this, there's someone who it appears does have a pile collected already as he's certain he can 'trick' the machines somehow. He can't.
I could probably find a hundred quids worth in the bushes near here (fecking college students), albeit there's only one hundred quids worth to be found.
Why would they need to relabel a beer if it's exclusive to the calendar? It's just a very small run, with its own unique barcode. The cost of doing it would just be added to the price.
Because it costs 100 euro a barcode to register them. Plus an additional unspecified fee if the same being barcode is being used overseas.
The 100/barcode was changed to a sliding fee based on volume for small producers/importers, its 500 a year for all your barcodes up to 750k containers, 1000 up to 1.5m
100/barcode and .0135 or .0312 for International barcodes depending on whether you're under or over 10m
Would a small scale importer do over 750k containers a year?
Copy a barcode, print, and apply to the can. Feed them into the machine. That would work, right?
The cost of printing, blank labels or adhesive to do that cuts in to a 15c reward pretty fast. Also they'd definitely be able to identify the source of all the bogey cans and look for CCTV
That lad on the othe thread is a complete spoofer.
Is he the guy who said he's been collecting them for years with the thought he'd be able cash them all in once the scheme started?
Printing cost wouldn't be that expensive. I've a printer that would do a self adhesive label with a barcode for less than 1c. You could also obscure your identity, but couldn't be returning regularly. Would you really be all that bothered to do it though.
I can't even get sticky labels that cheap and the toner is still about 1c/page
You'd struggle to make it return the minimum wage even with the cheapest to use print setup
