The former boards.ie member will be remaining in jail https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2023/0324/1366017-graham-dwyer/
True, if there is no contextual evidence.
In this case there was a double decker bus full of contextual evidence. Dwyer probably thought the guards were being all nice asking him about his hobbies and trips to Galway, when he was hanging himself out to dry.
Of course you can.
This case would be a pertinent example.
Anyway.
6. In any indictment for murder or manslaughter, or for being an accessory to any murder or manslaughter, it shall not be necessary to set forth the manner in which or the means by which the death of the deceased was caused, but it shall be sufficient in any indictment for murder to charge that the defendant did feloniously, wilfully, and of his malice aforethought kill and murder the deceased; and it shall be sufficient in any indictment for manslaughter to charge that the defendant did feloniously kill and slay the deceased; and it shall be sufficient in any indictment against any accessory to any murder or manslaughter to charge the principal with the murder or manslaughter (as the case may be) in the manner herein-before specified, and then to charge the defendant as an accessory in the manner heretofore used and accustomed.
Now it may of course strengthen your defence if the claim was the person was killed by "accident" or in defence, etc.
I don't think anyone has claimed that the poster is either, he's just got some very dodgy views on any kind of violence against women. He just jumps to downplaying it. And I think it should be pretty okay to call that out.
So when there's no body, there can't be a murder case??
Exactly
Well the legal system indicates that you can. So must be rocket science.
If you can’t ascertain a cause of death, you can’t claim that someone has been murdered. It’s not rocket science.
I'd say that for every person who progresses to actually acting on their fantasies, there are probably multiples of that who have such fantasies but never dare do anything about it in their real life. I think the hits rates on violent porn sites tend to show that to be the case.
As to how many people choose instead to adopt a contrarian persona on the internet for entirely different reasons about playing Devil's advocate because well, I don't know why, because you haven't explained, but it has nothing to do with them possibly having such fantasies themselves about women - well, I have no idea how common that is. Do you really think that's a lot more frequent than people - let's be frank here, we're talking about men really - who choose to defend Graham Dwyer because deep down they feel they really understand him?
(It's a genuine question: I can't understand why someone would defend him so doggedly and unvaryingly if they didn't have some sympathy for him. It's a lot more than just pointing out errors in people's understanding of the legalities for instance.)
There is a pervasive mentality around the content of replies that indicate and extraordinary thought process tbh. I'd say you're better off getting a grip if you don't think people can portray flags on the Internet.
I mean... its the place for such flags. Anonymous..
Well that's true, I don't know that poster, at all really. You mean he's just a contrarian for the sale of being contrary?
Maybe. Seems a bit OTT to choose this sort of thing to be contrary over though. What does he want to prove? And why is it so obvious to me that's he's male, even though as I say I know nothing about him? I'd still put money on that though.
(If it turns out that Jeq0un has previously posted that they are female - rather than making such a claim now - then I'll agree that my speculation was unwarranted.)
Do you need to know a medical cause of death to be sure someone's been murdered?
Absolutely not. You don't even need a corpse.
That said not all killings are murder, intent and malice need to proven.
That was the prosecutions case and Jury believed them.
My opinion would be there was no way a legal team advised Dwyer to put up the defence he did.
That was purely down to him and speaks volumes for the type of individual he is.
you think they are just playing devils advocate? rubbish.
in fairness if you are surprised Jeq0un has an alternative viewpoint to this subject you probably don’t know them very well.
They are consistently (to their credit) willing to bring an opposing, often controversial viewpoint to a discussion and will not wane from it.
I think it’s a bit ridiculous to start making assumptions about the individual based on that. Very cheap shots above honestly.
Do you need to know a medical cause of death to be sure someone's been murdered? Before autopsies existed, all murder trials without eye witnesses were shams, then?
And even then, maybe the person had actually died of a heart attack as they were being assaulted in front of somebody else?
Did he? If you know the cause of death you should tell the coroner because they haven’t been able to figure it out
No it wasn't. It was one guy who took advantage of a woman who had confidence and self-image issues. Their relationship was coercive, not consensual and if you maintain your position on this you will get your arse handed to you on a plate.
You are wrong. On so many levels.
curious, isnt it?
You seem to possess a worryingly detailed understanding of (and sympathy for) Dwyer's mind.
sexually motivated murderers are very likely to kill again.
There's some people who killed that are probably unlikely to kill again. However they are unlikely to have had a fantasy about killing someone. Most people don't have those fantasies/ urges.
Anyone who needs to learn to control themselves to not kill someone is clearly a risk to others. How could anyone be sure that they wouldn't lose control if they were in a similar situation where they get excited.
So he murdered her then- well great we’ve cleared that mystery up.
Her asking for reassurance etc was what turned him on. You can tell from the messages. It was a power play dynamic and it got way out of hand because he clearly didn’t have the necessary self control, and there is no doubt that he killed her. You can learn to control yourself, and I never understand why people assume that someone who killed once will automatically kill again.
Oh right, well she really played the part well that night didn't she seeing as she ended up being killed and he ended up convicted of murder?
She looked for a lot of reassurance in the texts in the build up that he wasn't going to kill her and that she was going home and he gave that to her.
But yet she never left those woods.
I believe 100% that he intentionally killed her. You believe there's a chance he accidentally killed her, I'm curious if you think that that would make him any less dangerous?
You think "he dared me to hit him" will work as a defence in court? Jesus.
"Go on hit me,go on I dare you " WHAM!
Course you can.
The texts are a clear sign of someone being excited, possibly over excited about acting out a fantasy. This only works if both parties play their part. It was a relationship between two people who took their roles to an unhealthy and extreme level, and which ended tragically. Anyway.
She agreed to get stabbed so that he wouldn't kill her. And then she ended up dead. He had a lot of experience with stabbing so he knew how far he could go without her needing medical attention. She also had experience of him stabbing her and had plans to volunteer at the tall ships festival afterwards.
So you could say that she agreed to be 'stabbed' after being coerced etc. but she was still only agreeing to fairly superficial stab wounds.
His texts couldn't be anymore damning. "Killing is my new goal, not extreme control", "I can and will have it all", drooling over news stories of men who got away with stabbing women to death...
The poor guy at one point was worried about people besmirching his good name on Boards.ie.
The level of disconnect from him is astonishing.
Incorrect. I just have a different opinion to yours on this matter. Maybe just accept it.
Probably yes, but he might need to take a separate case to get it.
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