The former boards.ie member will be remaining in jail https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2023/0324/1366017-graham-dwyer/
From everything you've heard, do you believe she gave informed consent to be harmed?
So? She didn’t consent to being killed.
He killed her and then - at the very least - covered up her death. There are elements that indicate that he planned it.
That’s murder.
Not to mention that consenting to your own murder has sod all legal binding anyway.
you can't consent to somebody else assaulting you either.
I agree that she was vulnerable. All I stated was that that she went along with it. What may or may not have been coercion is speculation and I I don’t think it is relevant now. There is no doubt that he killed her but I don’t think it’s as black and white as people make it out to be.
As I said earlier I am more interested in the court ruling now.
“Black and White”?
Seriously- you’ve admitted that he killed her - just what part of murder do you not understand?
You can actually, but you can’t consent to someone causing ‘serious harm’ to you
It's completely black and white. It's only you yourself that is trying to obscure premeditated murder with waffle of consent. Which has no legal basis as you fully know well.
If he gets off on this will he get compo?
The thing is, you try to be a devil's advocate on all these topics on a constant basis....
Correct. I should have been more precise.
Probably yes, but he might need to take a separate case to get it.
Incorrect. I just have a different opinion to yours on this matter. Maybe just accept it.
The poor guy at one point was worried about people besmirching his good name on Boards.ie.
The level of disconnect from him is astonishing.
She agreed to get stabbed so that he wouldn't kill her. And then she ended up dead. He had a lot of experience with stabbing so he knew how far he could go without her needing medical attention. She also had experience of him stabbing her and had plans to volunteer at the tall ships festival afterwards.
So you could say that she agreed to be 'stabbed' after being coerced etc. but she was still only agreeing to fairly superficial stab wounds.
His texts couldn't be anymore damning. "Killing is my new goal, not extreme control", "I can and will have it all", drooling over news stories of men who got away with stabbing women to death...
The texts are a clear sign of someone being excited, possibly over excited about acting out a fantasy. This only works if both parties play their part. It was a relationship between two people who took their roles to an unhealthy and extreme level, and which ended tragically. Anyway.
"Go on hit me,go on I dare you " WHAM!
Course you can.
You think "he dared me to hit him" will work as a defence in court? Jesus.
Oh right, well she really played the part well that night didn't she seeing as she ended up being killed and he ended up convicted of murder?
She looked for a lot of reassurance in the texts in the build up that he wasn't going to kill her and that she was going home and he gave that to her.
But yet she never left those woods.
I believe 100% that he intentionally killed her. You believe there's a chance he accidentally killed her, I'm curious if you think that that would make him any less dangerous?
Her asking for reassurance etc was what turned him on. You can tell from the messages. It was a power play dynamic and it got way out of hand because he clearly didn’t have the necessary self control, and there is no doubt that he killed her. You can learn to control yourself, and I never understand why people assume that someone who killed once will automatically kill again.
So he murdered her then- well great we’ve cleared that mystery up.
There's some people who killed that are probably unlikely to kill again. However they are unlikely to have had a fantasy about killing someone. Most people don't have those fantasies/ urges.
Anyone who needs to learn to control themselves to not kill someone is clearly a risk to others. How could anyone be sure that they wouldn't lose control if they were in a similar situation where they get excited.
sexually motivated murderers are very likely to kill again.
You seem to possess a worryingly detailed understanding of (and sympathy for) Dwyer's mind.
curious, isnt it?
No it wasn't. It was one guy who took advantage of a woman who had confidence and self-image issues. Their relationship was coercive, not consensual and if you maintain your position on this you will get your arse handed to you on a plate.
You are wrong. On so many levels.
Did he? If you know the cause of death you should tell the coroner because they haven’t been able to figure it out
Do you need to know a medical cause of death to be sure someone's been murdered? Before autopsies existed, all murder trials without eye witnesses were shams, then?
And even then, maybe the person had actually died of a heart attack as they were being assaulted in front of somebody else?
in fairness if you are surprised Jeq0un has an alternative viewpoint to this subject you probably don’t know them very well.
They are consistently (to their credit) willing to bring an opposing, often controversial viewpoint to a discussion and will not wane from it.
I think it’s a bit ridiculous to start making assumptions about the individual based on that. Very cheap shots above honestly.
you think they are just playing devils advocate? rubbish.
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