Just found the above chart backing up what I have been saying for years.
Global warming is a wholly natural event, if humanity disappeared tonight, global warming would still happen.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=nf9O_Cs2MQ0&si=-A3Eiyc1KpZwK9K1
Here a link for a video by ecologist Roger Savory working to restore a desert in California.
Here’s a simple demonstration of how we can fix global warming. My explanations maybe haven’t been very clear or get lost so a video or photo doe’s more good than writing hundred’s of words essay
Thats not how proofs work, its up to the proposer of unfeasable claims to prove them not up to everyone else to disprove them.
Please spare me another Savory self promotion video.
SHOW US THE QUANTITIVE EVIDENCE PLEASE !!!!!!!!
No smartarse, your very fast to ask for proof of this that & the other. And when given you ignore it.
You claim livestock can’t reverse desertification, i proved it can.
You say it can’t help store carbon in the soil.
I showed how it can.
You said it doesn’t do enough for biodiversity.
Prove where it’s wrong.
You did no such thing. Show us your actual evidence.
What evidence are you looking for!!!!
The evidence is there, the science is there, you just don’t like the Savory Institute so for whatever reason & you just dismiss everything.
You've admitted plenty of times that there's no scientific evidence for your claim. Even Savory says there isn't. So nope, unproven claim.
Please show me where i said turning desert back into grassland is bad for global warming.
Thats not a rebuttal to anything he said. Your debating skills leave a lot to be desired.
Yee too get very quiet when questions are put back to yee.
He said I said there’s no scientific evidence of this working, I asked him to prove it.
But You Actually Don’t even no what you’re debating!
You say you like regenerative farming yet when it comes to regeneration of Deserts you completely dismiss them as a solution. When there’s plenty of evidence you just ignore.
You completely dismiss that desert’s are a leading cause of Global Warming.
This is a thread about Global Warming and Savorys claims that he could reverse it with regenerative grazing. All the rest is window dressing around Savory and of no relevance to this thread. I and eightbitchewbacky have repeatedly asked you to supply evidence that Savorys claims about reversing climate change with regenerative grazing has any evidence base - and you have failed to supply any (as has Savory - he even tries to claim he never said anything of the sort even though its on his TED talk for all to see).
So please cut the waffle and address the only point with regard to Savory that is relevant to climate change - carbon sequestation.
Get it through into your head now. Not out the other side. Because i told you already.
50% of land on the planet is desert or degrading. Top soils depleted everywhere. (we can surely agree on this)
Using Savorys holistic planned grazing & establishing a context for decision making
You put animals into OR take away animals(depending the context) in those areas under holistic planned grazing management.
When the animals are tightly bunched they dung & urine and flatten grasses covering the soil. Then they have to be moved to fresh grazing.
When that happens you’ll create a biological carpet over the bare soil that starts to store carbon, retain water and is now providing the conditions & habitat for microbe life to grow. Plants start growing. A micro climate of sorts.
Growing plants & grasses start pulling carbon out of the atmosphere & into the ground. (please don’t even dispute this)
You do this type of management on billions of acres of land around the world, The sun isn’t shining on bare sand causing the ground too heat up & dry out the soil killing all microbes. It has a cooling effect.
So when the sun isn’t shining on billions of acres of desert sandy soil every single day, and instead is shining on covered soil or land, it has a cooling effect.
If you stand on the beach on a hot sunny day bare foot, you burn your foot. On that same sunny day When you stand on grass or covered soil, itll be cool and you won’t burn your foot.
That’s a very basic premise of it.
Now where is the problem yee too have with that?
Savory rejects the scientific method, he. claims the effectiveness of his technique isn't scientifically provable. You subscribe to his claims. You share links to the savory institute instead of peer reviewed studies. Then you point to personal observations or 'common sense' as proof when all else fails. There is no scientific proof of Savory's techniques being particularly effective at carbon sequestration, his studies tend to exaggerate the effectiveness of the techniques that is scientifically proven.
Here's one such study's conclusion on the sequestration effect, I expect you'll respond with a wall of text.
"Improved grazing management on grasslands can store on average approximately 0.35 tonnes of C per ha and year – a rate seven times lower than the rate used by the Savory Institute to support the claim that holistic grazing can reverse climate change."
https://orgprints.org/id/eprint/34330/1/holisticmanagement_review.pdf
Going round in ever decreasing circles.
Proof not repeating the holy writ.
what i just described above, where does the science fail?
In your own words.
I don’t use peer reviewed papers because that’s academia. And Savory published peer reviewed papers years ago as a biologist. He observed he was wrong.
And even 0.35 tonnes per hectare of carbon stored in billions of hecatares every year is a lot of carbon stored. What elese can achieve that?
And……….
yee are all forgetting the bigger picture.
Using Savorys holistic planned grazing on 50% of the world’s land will also bring FOOD
CLEAN WATER
CLEAN AIR
GREEN JOBS, WEALTH, RESOURCES to the poorest regions in the world.
It will stop droughts, famines, poverty
In your own words, what i described above. Where does that not make sense to you?
Note how it explicitly states it wouldn't reverse global warming at that level... Peer review follows the scientific method. Guy claiming something that science can't prove is nonsense. So nope, you reject the science.
I didn’t read it all i couldn’t be bothered.
And even if it doesn’t reverse global warming your still solving so many problems like i listed above.
Has the effect of Precession been accounted for in all the rumoured science behind the causes of Humanities acceleration of Global Warming?
Considering that 20 years ago most scientists berated any believers in such a process?
The Milankovish cycles (the procession you speak of) have been studied and predicted us returning to an ice age in approximately 8K years, the data was right on track with a long slow steady decline in global temperatures until man overwhelmed the signal with his massive release of carbon dioxide.
2023: Hottest year on record, at least till 2024 is over.
Lovely weather last year for sure, unfortunately we didn't get the summer here we all would have hoped for..
Hopefully this summer will be different.
Will become far more common unless deserts start being fixed I reckon.
it wasn't lovely, it was a horrible summer in ireland, still our warmest on record year overall though
Typical disinformation from Sky News again.
Last year was Not the hottest summer ever, not even the hottest on record ( which only go back 140 years )
Wait till you see rte
George Lee will self implode
they can't win. if the record goes back 140 years, it's the hottest on record. then the naysayers will say 'but the record only goes back 140 years!'
then they'll complain that any claim made which includes the period before this is unscientific.
Does it matter really if it was the hottest or not? Like really what difference does it make.
There can’t be any doubt that biodiversity loss is happening, land degradation is happening, droughts & floods are becoming more common etc
The important thing is what we do to fix it.
Even if we assume the soil didn’t store any carbon at all.
What are we going to do about a rising population & how we feed it. An extra billion people by 2050 apparently.
We can’t feed it on the soil & systems we use already because that’s a depleting resource under current management, we can’t use the oceans & rivers because we have over fished & polluted that resource.
What options do we have?
Summer of 76' was a real scorcher, extra hot and then some!
Bloody freezing wind today.
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