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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,307 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Who mentioned rockets or Northern Ireland? Not me...I said bombs as in the bombs the IRA planted in England killing innocent civilians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 828 ✭✭✭Hey boy


    Maybe it is but I reckon Israel plays a patient game as regards targeting terrorist leaders. When the opportunity arises they take it. Who knows what the US said privately. Consider how long it took them after Munich.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    What is my "side of the argument" - that it's wrong for a overwhelmingly stronger power to be targeting and massacring civilians and kids? That genocide isn't the best in general?

    What is your "side"? Cheer on the murderers? Laugh at the brown kids being blown apart? Have a party to celebrate more dead ones?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    It's kinda pathetic to condition such a post on the mealy-mouthed "taken at face value"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,678 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Of course not. Even when they are clean, with no collateral damage, they must've done it for some hidden reasons. Israel isn't allowed to have any win.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,074 ✭✭✭✭SeanW


    Wow, so many insinuations in one post. My standards are clear - a fight to the deaths means total war, means you do what you have to. And since your side mentioned the Russo-Ukraine war, I hold Ukrainians to the same standards as Israelis - both should IMHO do whatever they have to.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57,077 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    As someone who lives and worked very near the border with NI there were many launches and gunbattles along the border. A hijacked small plane was used on one occasion to attack a British army observation post close to the N. Louth border near where I live.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,201 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    But you're trying to say it's like Hezbollah in Lebanon - and Hezbollah have been firing rockets into Israeli towns for years. So your comparison is nonsensical. The IRA never tried to kill English civilians. They always claimed that any civilian deaths were due to failures of communication over bomb warnings etc. However dodgy the ethics of that might be, it's still a very different tactic from the deliberate murder of civilians for ethnic reasons.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 828 ✭✭✭Hey boy


    Sorry it’s Donald. Apologies. Was enjoying the craic with Don too much there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Except of course that Israel are the Russia of this one SeanW. You can bold face lie and bluster in denial all you want. Facts and logic are always going to beat you


    Btu do come back to us if this secret reason is ever unclassified.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 828 ✭✭✭Hey boy


    Donald

    Give it up. The “brown” thing is getting silly now. I’m not tit tatting over it anymore in case I get a warning from the mods but at least have the good grace to admit that it was rubbish and wasn’t funny.

    Even the anti-Israeli folk on your side don’t try to argue it.

    All the best boyo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,074 ✭✭✭✭SeanW


    Really? The evidence shows plainly that Israel is closer to Ukraine's position than Russia's, but I guess your perceptions of the races of the people involved colour your view of the matter.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 828 ✭✭✭Hey boy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,201 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    I grew up in Northern Ireland and you can GTFO with your silly comparisons. We're not talking about running gunbattles with another army (which were vanishingly rare, if you're being honest) but about the targeting of civilians by firing rockets at towns. At no time did the IRA try to murder civilians just for being Protestant, or English. Literally NEVER.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    That's strange. You were trying to convince others to google for some clip of someone who was blown up.


    Yet you wouldn't watch a 5 second clip embedded on the thread. But you are happy to dismiss it nonetheless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,539 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I clearly recall my 12th birthday in Liverpool in the 70's. Got a pair of football boots. Parents took me to the restaurant in the Department Store for a birthday lunch. Was leaving said shop when all alarms went off and the entire store was evacuated. There was a fair bit of panic.

    Realised said football boots were left in the restaurant. Didn't realise they were the cause of the evacuation. Got them back 2 days later - still in the box. Said box had a small hole cut in that was used to determine if it was a bomb.

    The analogy made by the original poster is a good one. I lived through it. I certainly recall there being intense anger and many Brits calling for action against "Ireland".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Who is the invading force in Russia war on Ukraine?

    Who is the invading force in Israel war on Palestinian kids?


    Do you need me to give you a link showing you the "before" and "after" maps in both cases?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    It definitely ain't funny for the ones being blown to bits for the entertainment of IDF soldiers (and it appears others too!)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,074 ✭✭✭✭SeanW


    I've seen all the maps. Ukraine is the victim in the Russo-Ukraine war. Russia is the aggressor, and they've made it clear theirs is a fight to the death, the first of many that they intend to start.

    Regarding Israel, various groups have been trying to wipe them out constantly since 1947. No two-state solution, they want the Jews dead. The genocidal chant "From the River to the Sea" makes it clear. Like Ukraine, Israelis fight for their existence or they will be annihilated.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,307 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Yeah, planting bombs in packed pubs on a Thursday night is a GREAT way to avoid civilian deaths 🙄


    It's always someone else's fault when innocent civilians get killed, never the murderers.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    And yet we can see all these countries and groups that clearly want as many Russians dead as possible. Billions and billions worth of arms and military support being handed over to the enemy of Russia. And economic sanctions being put on their to cripple their economy.

    But again, the mirror of the conditions don't count when it comes to Israel. Some imagined and claimed threat from surrounding countries speaks louder than actual billions of military hardware being launched at it or it's forces. A few lads with AK-47s and addidas tracksuits making a TikTok because Israelis killed their grandparents is the real threat.


    Israel is Russia. Russia is Israel. I condemn both. You cannot condemn on the conditions of an incident - your condemnation is conditional on knowing who committed it. If Russia did it - they are very bold boys. If Israel did it - "hey, look over there. Whaddabout something else"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,074 ✭✭✭✭SeanW


    The conflict over Northern Ireland was never a fight to the death - nothing was at stake beyond the status of Northern Ireland. There was always going to be an Ireland and UK. And the IRA were never in government anywhere in Ireland. Furthermore, the IRA never raped and butchered English women in any way like what Gazans did to Israelis on the 7th of October.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 828 ✭✭✭Hey boy


    Donald, Donald, Donald,

    Don’t be getting all defensive.

    The border police woman who was killed was not white. Proof your “brown” v white stuff was rubbish. Her photograph was available. I never mentioned a video.

    Sorry for not wanting to watch a video of a woman being shot. I didn’t watch the Hamas videos from Oct 7th either. Further, I didn’t “dismiss it”, I condemned it.

    Maybe stop jumping to conclusions next time.

    Best Regards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,074 ✭✭✭✭SeanW


    Your side brought up the Russo Ukraine war. Not me. And I'm happy the Ukraine is getting what it needs to kill as many Russians as possible (it's not enough IMHO), and I hope the Russian economy collapses and their country broken into dozens of pieces. Peace with Russians will only happen the way it happened with the Nazis - once they've been utterly annihilated.

    Israel likewise fights for its existence. Someone or another has been trying to wipe them out non-stop since 1947 - except the Western Left is on the side of the terrorists, and repeat their demonic genocidal chants. Why?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    You don't see the hypocrisy though? Completely opposite standards and logic applied to the two?


    If someone posted on here, hoping for the destruction of the invading belligerent of Israel in the same way you hope for the destruction of the invading belligerent of Russia, you'd go mental.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,074 ✭✭✭✭SeanW


    No, my standards are the same. I want Ukraine to continue existing, and I want Israel to continue existing. If that means both have to annihilate their enemies, so be it.

    And yes, the Western Left calls for the total destruction of Israel constantly. That's why the chant "From the River to the Sea" because they want a Palestine instead of an Israel.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,143 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Most Israeli jews are "brown" and indistinguishable from their Arab neighbours. This is because they all share middle eastern ancestry. despite what people like to claim about israelis being white European "colonisers", it's just not the case for the majority



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,307 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    "A bullet found its way into the van and killed a 3 or 4-year-old young lady."




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,767 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    It's still not a fight to the death. Russia won't use Nuclear weapons as they know it's a dead end for them . Putin will be forced to the table eventually. You can have lofty notions about Ukraine winning and not negotiating a settlement, but real politik will kick in Washington at some stage if there is no hope of either side winning. Its not morally right, but unfortunately geo politics has little time for moral niceties

    Your attempt to equate the Russians with the likes of hamas is flawed. Hamas and Hezbollah are not an existential threat to Israel. Russia at one stage certainly was a threat to the functioning of the Ukraine state, but they are not in a position to over throw the Ukranian government much less marching on other countries. This war has shown the Russian military is no match for the west's. Putin might be a lot of things, but he is not mad he will never march on a NATO country. Any suggestion that he will is nonsense



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Is it 'coz I is black?



    Israeli Ambassador to Ireland

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    Israeli Ambassador to UK

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    Israeli Ambassador to France (Seems she was until 2022 but can't find a more recent one)

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    Israeli Ambassador to Spain

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    Israeli Ambassador to Portugal

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    Do I need to keep going?


    Is that how Sacha Baron Cohen came up with the Ali-g character?



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