If its a Boeing, I ain't going.
https://www.pprune.org/accidents-close-calls/656760-alaska-airlines-737-900-max-loses-door-flight-out-pdx.html
Broadly speaking the pilot community are not fond of the modern 737 family. Pilots drool about other aircraft, and in the Boeing family most have particular fondness for the old 757, out of production, describing it as a “rocket” with plenty of spare power to get out of situations. It was noisy and wasn’t economical to run. Lovely pax experience.
Over 10000 Boeing's in regular service. And yet you have clowns trying to avoid them due to a single isolated incident on a type that doesn't even fly from Ireland.
I was thinking that. They will ideally need to locate that as it would hold some answers.
Possibly safer than the rest due to the scrutiny....
Previous posters have a point, average customer expects a safe aircraft and something is culturally and quality wise just wrong with Boeing. Have said that and as the previous poster said, 737 Max has been safely flying now for five years, MCAS is now understood and limited, plug doors are now probably the most scrutinized part in any new Max 9. The system does try and make itself better and has done so massively in the last fifty years but it's some run of stuff ups by B.
It's almost 5 years since the second max. crash. Hundreds of thousands of flying hours since. Really no need to be avoiding them.
Sometimes yes, sometimes no.
Does Ryanair fly the 737 Max out of Shannon? flying to Faro at the end of the month.
I doubt people are worried about plugged escape exits. Those will all be checked, because stable doors are always checked despite the horse being gone.
They are worried about what the next failure is going to be, the one that hasn't happened yet.
Because when a company is clearly operating unsafely then another problem is inevitable.
It's a question of trust. I trust that my car is built properly. I trust that Airbus jets are just put together correctly or at least weren't let out of the hangar knowing there is a fundamental fault in the design. The two hideous crashes that happened because of a design fault that the company knew about and frankly sidestepped and paid a large fine for doesn't inspire trust. Nobody went to prison for that. The continuing litany of problems, faults, delays etc., builds a picture that's frankly scary. When I get on a plane I'd like to think the risks have been minimised, that the crew know what they're doing, the groundcrew etc. If I can't trust the people who built the bloody plane? Who can I trust?
But you are still far more likely to die in a road accident than flying in an airliner - so why do you still fly on planes?
Fair enough, still won't make me fly on one of them willingly. What sort of outcome would there have been if this was at a considerably higher altitude?
Story after story about Boeing keep coming out. Delays, quality issues, etc etc., If I had a car that randomly tried to kill me on my way to work, I wouldn't be getting into it. I'm not a pilot. but if I were every time I sat down behind those controls I'd be asking, what random crap is going to happen today? I'm sure pilots ask themselves those questions before every flight, but I'm sure most of 'em aren't expecting a section of fusilage to randomly break away from the plane.
Those safety cards read "737-8MAX/-9MAX Rafts"
Pedantic me, but the plugged door on EI’s A321’s has a window and is at row 24, rest of the post is spot on!
Turkish have temporarily withdrawn their 5 737 Max 9's for inspection.
Icelandair don't have the plugged door in question on the Max 9 so are not affected.
I was adding information rather than correcting.
Iceland are an EASA member state.
The whole point of the “plug” design is that the plug/door is bigger than the hole in the fuselage and therefore the plug/door can’t just blow out like this (the pressure differential between the cabin and exterior pushes the large door flush against a hole too small for it to travel through). When installing plugs/doors you need to bring them inside the aircraft on their side and then line them up with the hole.
This is most likely a result of improper installation at the factory given the aircraft is only 2 months old, unless the plug was removed and re-installed since (very unlikely).
So lucky this didn’t happen at cruising altitude
I've been watching the few videos of this and what's intriguing me is that the blurb on the back of the seats, embedded into the seats is all, max 8 this and max 8 that. Yet, this plane keeps being referred to as max 9?
As regards flying, at this stage with so many faults on this thing I wouldn't trust Boeing to put enough air in the tyres.
If I have to fly in the future I'll be flying with a carrier that is Airbus. Not Boeing. Given the choice between flying Boeing or taking a boat, I'll take the boat.
The NTSB have already issued details of a search area
Ryanair don't have any planes with plugged escape exits so just as safe as Aer Lingus.
You can guarantee not to be on one with aer lingus anyway.
Ryanair don't have max 9 but they have max 8 so according to this thread the max 8 doesn't have the door that failed on the max 9.
I wouldn't have faith in any of the 737 max at this point though cause if a door can fall off a brand new aircraft, there are significant issues within the factory.
I’ve three flights to book soon. Gran Canaria, France and Italy. Ryanair & Aer Lingus. I’m not a plane guy.
How am I supposed to know what plane I’ll be put on before I book , so I can avoid the Max ??
OK. I will take your word for it but Iceland is on the mid atlantic ridge and nearly all of Turkey is not in Europe so I'm reluctant to concede I am wrong.
Icelandair and Turkish fly this variant also.
Only 737-9 with plugs which by the way is not in service with European airlines and they can ferry the few planes affected home unpressurized.
As far as I know they have ordered the 737 Max to stay on the ground.
Somewhere in Alaska there was a teenaged boy waking up on a road and cycling home to find his room was hit by a falling piece of an aircraft
Boeing asked the FAA top exempt the Max 7 from safety rules, for a known defect, so it can start delivering planes to customers, with a known defect. The same defect is on the 8 and 9. Pilots have to remember to turn off the engine anti-ice system. There's no alert or reminder and they can forget. If they don't, the nacelle could break up and potentially penetrate the cabin or damage the tail and make the plane uncontrollable. Boeing say it's fine because it hasn't happened yet.
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