Well explained.
Not saying I welcome the scheme personally.
Is that a known significant problem in other countries or a tiny percentage of the returns?
Back in the old deposit days, kids swiping empties from the back of shops and then bringing them back *to the same shop* was fairly well known so yes, they would want to make sure there's no risk of that.
Its mentioned in at least one of the Ireland-of-the-past memoirs, not sure if Bill Cullen or Frank McCourt or someone else.
The reason they want intact containers isn't just about reading the barcode. First up, part of the validation process the machine does to recognize what container it has is a visual inspection and comparison against a database. This (among other reasons) is to prevent people putting a 2L barcode onto a 500ml bottle, to get extra refund. So the machine will actually look at the bottle and be able to tell that it's a 2L one. It couldn't do that if it was crushed.
The other reason is that they want the machines to crush the containers themselves, which effectively invalidates the container for any future deposit refund. The last thing they want is people breaking into supermarket or recycling centre yards and stealing bin loads of returned containers, only to run them though the machines a second time for a healthy profit. Requiring them to be intact, and then crushing them on receipt. eliminates that.
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It'll be interesting during the transition period to see if there are the same drinks on certain shelves, some with the logo and some without and selling for less
Something selling for less. In Ireland. You must be new here. Welcome to Ireland.
Could they not just barcode the bottom since it wouldnt get crushed? (at least for cans) and maybe the bottle cap for bottles?
Yes, I bought two cans of Vocation beer in the local Molloy's about a week before Christmas, one had the logo one did not.
Ironically they're a UK brewery...
and I told the mrs. not to crush the can, and I put it separately from the others, but she still did! 😱
For the schemes to allign you would have to have all RoI producers registered in GB not just NI, and vice versa. It is doable but it is not simple at all and it might well cost far more than it would be worth to implement. There will be some level of co-operation for sure though. Encouraging the UK system to use a compatable IT / data collection system would be a big help. In reality at this stage the UK scheme is going to be 2026 and possibly 27.
That depends on the RVM. The Rewe one I used a few weeks ago rejected them and pushed them back, you had to put them in the bin beside yourself. Which is what is going to happen here I believe.
The German scheme is very patchy with only plastic bottles being universally refundable; glass being refundable if the shop sells that type only, and many different deposits depending on what type it is.
Agreed but a simple system of the RVMs taking any bottle or can can't be hard to implement
How's it going to work at airports? If you buy in Ireland for consumption abroad do you still pay the levy despite having no chance to return the product?
One thing I am glad about for this system is a lot of the craft breweries might scrap their cans and go back to selling in glass bottles
Hugely difficult to have an all island solution unless you have an all-islands solution. NI, though still part of the single market, also comes under the UK Internal Markets Act. Any NI scheme is going to have to be close in nature to the GB scheme(s). Indeed, due to the somewhat irregular nature of NI Government, the scheme will be designed to tie in with the English scheme (not likely to be too disimilar to the Welsh / Scottish varieties). CUrrency means the schemes would never be a perfect fit. The UK Government have been pretty proactive in reaching out to producers and the scheme operator in Ireland, so hopefully the schemes can be as close as possible, but they will not be the same.
Probably yes, can't be that hard or costly to implement though
Probably to do with Germany having land borders with nine countries.
Be nice if we could have an all Ireland solution here though.
I see that in Germany you can put non-labelled bottles and cans (for example foreign bought ones) into the RVMs, you don't get any cash for them but it's certainly a forward-thinking measure
End of May. Transition for sale of existing stock is 4 months.
Don't have to go to the US to see that. It's a common sight in many European countries, especially the day after big street festivals such as Pride etc.
You've never seen people pushing multiple shopping trolleys full of plastic bottles and cans in the US...really?
Sorry, I didn't mean you personally, I was using you in a general sense.
I think if given a choice between buying old stock and new I'd go for the old stock just to avoid the inconvenience of the return for refund.
Long term I'm considering changing to glass bottles for the same reason.
Yes, but they shouldn't be out yet. Some Galway Bay and Vocation beer cans have had it
I know you get the deposit back, the whole thread is about that subject so I'm not sure why you're pointing it out. I was just saying in theory it could be possible to buy 2 six packs at the same time and pay different prices for both during the changeover.
I suppose it will depend on stock levels.
If an product is selling well the retailer will want to keep it on the shelves.
It won't make much difference really because if you pay the higher price including deposit you will get it back on return.
As an example, I'd rather pay the deposit on a beer I like and go to the trouble of returning than buy a beer I don't like to avoid the deposit.
No, but I think there's a transition period between February and May so I wouldn't expect to see them yet.
It'll be interesting during the transition period to see if there are the same drinks on certain shelves, some with the logo and some without and selling for less.
None supposed to be released for sale until the start date Retailers allowed 2 months until April to get rid of bar coded stock.
with just a few weeks left until this return scheme starts in February, has anyone actually seen any cans or bottles with the new logo yet? I havent
Yep. Although realistically, the timescales will be fairly short.
The first month will be messy, but after that it will be fairly straightforward
Better draught my adverts posts.
"For sale: slightly distressed can of Full Sail with too early a best before date to be valid - €6000"
Maybe they'll be worth more than 15c in the future to collectors, like first edition stamps with quirky errors.
There shouldn't be any containers with the logo even sold til Feb 1st, but there are some already out and about
Yes.
That would explain it, so, because there were people inside and lights on (it was in the evening).
Also it's worth noting that even when they do open they will only pay out on the containers that have had a deposit paid on them.
All non deposit containers will still go in the green bin.
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