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TFI Live - Real Time Transport Planner App

p_haugh

So happened to come across this today when checking the play store for what the TFI Go app update entailed.

There is a new app called TFI Live UAT currently in public early access testing (not sure if it was intentionally made public or not).

Seems to be a combined replacement for the TFI Journey Planner & TFI Realtime apps.

Seems to be a much nicer experience overall compared to the Journey Planner app, however it is clearly still in its testing stages - it's missing certain features present in the other apps (i.e. live bus positioning) and funnily enough, the about page still shows dummy text!

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halfpastneverr

Any reason Dublin Bus GPS location has been down the last 2 days? Go Ahead's is working fine. Can't find any tweet on DB or TFI acknowledging it. So shoddy.

p_haugh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121607962#Comment_121607962

Fair, I misinterpreted the previous post.

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121607890#Comment_121607890

No I think you’re getting the wrong end of the stick. The point is that the OP was physically on the bus and looking at the app when it said that the bus was on the road towards the Clonskeagh gate.

I have also been on an S4 that physically was using the Newstead gate but the GPS put it as being on the road towards the Clonskeagh gate.

It happens to every S4, like the 14 at Oak Road - it must be a GPS glitch.

As to your other point, while I’d sympathise with the drivers, taking the Clonskeagh gate would be a big no-no as it would mean missing a stop on Clonskeagh Road.

The Clonskeagh gate is closed from Midnight to 07:00, which would cause problems in the early mornings,while Newstead is open 24/7.

They need to add another stop at the sports centre so that there is one for each direction. They implemented the route without really thinking of the logistics.

The Mathematician

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121607890#Comment_121607890

No, that is not the reason (at least in this case), I was actually there, the bus went one way and the tracker showed it going another.

p_haugh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121607369#Comment_121607369

In that instance, the NTA dictated that the S4 is routed via the Newstead gate. The 4 times I've taken it so far, the driver has done that route. But I have heard that some drivers are unhappy with that routing due to the tightness of it, so they skip that section and go straight out the Clonskeagh Gate. That's most likely why some buses track as going straight at the roundabout.

To be honest I wouldn't blame them, it's a wild routing. Drivers leaving UCD have to go around the roundabout, serve the sports centre bus layby (even if no passengers are boarding/alighting), then go back around the roundabout once more to go to the turn for the Richmond exit. Complete waste of time imo.

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121607419#Comment_121607419

The location of a bus is shown based on GPS, and in both of the examples above when the bus is at those locations they appear in the wrong place.

The routes are correctly shown on the maps in the apps.

The Mathematician

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121607416#Comment_121607416

Perhaps it is a GPS glitch, next time I am there I will check if the GPS on my phione shows my correct location.

I was thinking that there might be a route programmed in the system somewhere (not the one shown on the apps) and buses are shown going along this route even if the GPS shows they aren't.

markpb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121607369#Comment_121607369

The route shown in apps is defined in the data feed from the NTA, it's not based on the actual location of the buses.

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121607369#Comment_121607369

It could be a GPS glitch - they do happen. The buses are tracked using GPS.

Similarly southbound 14s are shown as tracking via Oak Road near Donnycarney Church rather than staying on Collins Avenue.

The Mathematician

This is really a question about all apps, not just the TFI one.

On both the TFI app and Bustimes, the route of the S4 is shown entering/exiting UCD through the Richview-Newstead gate The S4 is actually using this route, but if you look at the tracking, then the buses are shown as going straight at the roundabout and using the Clonskeagh gate. These are actual buses not phantom buses (I was just there).

I always thought that the tracking was using GPS, but there is obviously something else going on here. Has anyone any idea of what?

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121557930#Comment_121557930

Buses finished up about 8-9pm on new year's eve as well without any public notice, complete disgrace

markpb

The TFI Live App doesn’t seem to be picking up Luas realtime data well at all. It showed a northbound departure from my Green line stop at 12:08 which was actually at 12:24. The tram I’m on isn’t showing in the app and it says the next one is at 12:34 which doesn’t match the platform displays at all.

breezy1985

App showing "no live departures" and "this service does not run on specific date" for all Limerick city buses today.

That's obviously it true as it is Sunday service today. Comes across as either laziness or basic incompetence with a computer.

AX636

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121555424#Comment_121555424

Looks like nearly all routes ran tonight

thomil

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121553648#Comment_121553648

Well, at least that explains why the 220 has been so unreliable lately...

Hippodrome Song Owl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121555399#Comment_121555399

But they have actually specfied the 24h services are running - it's not like it's just the last services at 23.00 that will be missed.

I mean it's a shame if buses end early on a big night out, but so long as it is advertised them fair enough. To actually lie about is just totally unacceptable.

AX636

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121555388#Comment_121555388

It has being like that for years

Hippodrome Song Owl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121555374#Comment_121555374

If that's the case then it's an absolute disgrace it hasn't been communicated to the public!

AX636

DB,Last bus is 22:00 but its upto driver's if the want to stay on for overtime

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121555137#Comment_121555137

Yes I'd agree - I think if people could still see where buses physically are then that would be helpful, but beyond that is just not realistic.

LXFlyer

Apologies - my mistake re the early finish. I've corrected my earlier post.

I was thinking of previous years when it was 22:00 on New Years Eve - one gets conditioned to these things when it's been like that for almost all of my adult life. We have made some progress!

noelfirl

There is, from what I can see, no information online about any form of early finish tonight...?

Hippodrome Song Owl

I don't think there is an early finish tonight? And the Nitelink and 24h services are due to operate.

Thankfully the tracking returned after a few hours today.

As for the RTPI being switched off on St Patrick's Day and for the marathon - I get that no meaningful scheduling can take place on such days, but surely there would be benefit in being able to live track the bus regardless, and draw your own conclusions as to whether or when it may arrive.

mikeybhoy

No mention on DB website that services are finishing up early tonight. Even though they normally finish around 10 on NYE. I remember a few years ago they finished early on NYE with no mention on DB website apparently it due to some union agreement.

Could never understand why they finished early on NYE when a full service runs on New Year's day.

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121554027#Comment_121554027

No that's not quite true.

The system is actually switched off on St. Patrick's Day and the day of the marathon because it is simply impossible to deliver predictive times, due to the rolling nature of the diversions and the unpredictability of the journey times as a result of the congestion and diversions.

You have to remember how the RTPI system works. Every individual departure has a stop-by-stop timetable drawn up by the schedulers, based on historic journey times. The system then takes the live GPS location of the buses, and then applies the stop-by-stop timetable appropriate to that departure to the live location of the bus to generate predictive times all along the rest of the route.

It just simply isn't possible to do that when you have massive one-off disruption, lengthy diversions and indeed rolling road closures at the direction of An Garda Síochána, such as on St. Patrick's Day or the day of the marathon, which when combined with the fluidity of the traffic congestion means that the service is just not predictable, thus meaning that you can't apply predictive schedules.

You'd have to come up with individual schedules for every departure for those specific days in any case, which inevitably would end up being cast aside, as the situation on the ground inevitably trumps any schedules that could be created.

While I agree that it is frustrating, it's one of those situations where the system just cannot function.

What's happened today is different - there seems to have been an IT problem at the NTA in terms of output of the vehicle locations and predictive to the apps and that's meant that there has been no live RTPI.

I'm also not sure why you think services are out of the ordinary today? It was a normal Sunday schedule today.

AngryLips

One of the few days where services are out of ordinary and when real time information is particularly needed, the entire thing falls down. This happens every time there's unusual timetabling like around Christmas or marathon day

Mrs OBumble

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121553523#Comment_121553523

Its worse than no tracking: BusTimes is showing a bunch of Cork buses rattling around Galway!

Hippodrome Song Owl

There appears to be no live tracking on any site or app today.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121540696#Comment_121540696

I’d also recommend the Transit App.

It has accurate real time info and bus positioning like the excellent bustimes.org app, but a nicer mobile oriented app with journey planning too.

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121540772#Comment_121540772

Bustimes is pulling the information from the NTA server. It's the only place where you can get the full accurate timetable in one place now for routes that have been "BusConnected".

The TFI app should show the accurate times in the journey planner, and glancing at them both they are displaying the current Saturday timetables.

I suspect this is another example of the NTA biting off more than it can chew.