Israel/Palestine Thread

Timberrrrrrrr · 28-12-2023 03:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121543725#Comment_121543725

They had to hide in a library

Meanwhile Palestinian children are trying to dodge 2000 lb bombs, the equivalent of 2 nuclar bombs has been dropped on Gaza in the last 8 weeks.

tayto lover · 28-12-2023 04:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121543725#Comment_121543725

Ah Jaysus ?? Imagine that - having to lock yourself in a library !! How awful !!

Meanwhile women and children are having huge bombs dropped on them in a REFUGEE CAMP when they were told to go there for safety BY the ISRAELIS.

Thelonious Monk · 28-12-2023 04:29PM

People going on about Hamas wanting to kill as many jews as possible should have a look on social media to see countless amounts of Israelis saying the same about Palestinians.

Strazdas · 28-12-2023 04:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121543701#Comment_121543701

The majority of Jewish people in the West are middle class (or even higher) and well educated - not exactly the type of people you would expect to be facing rampant racism and discrimination.

Igotadose · 28-12-2023 04:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121543963#Comment_121543963

Must be true, it's on Social Media.

blackcard · 28-12-2023 05:37PM

A side issue for both sides at the moment but what are the long term economic impacts for both sides?

A lot of Israeli males are on army duties, productivity must be badly affected, the cost of arms must be extremely high, tourism must be on its knees and will take a long time to recover, not sure if there is boycotting of Israeli goods, there is going to be a lot of money required for security measures going forward. I don't know what the economy was like before the war started? I presume that money will come from the US and expats.

For Palestinians, it is a matter of just trying to survive. I can't imagine there is any business surviving. Infrastructure is destroyed, hospitals bombed, housing gutted, schools flattened, water and electricity supply in tatters. I don't know what economic activity there was in Gaza before this kicked off. You would think for the forseeable future, it is going to be dependent on outside assistance for food, to build housing etc. but poverty is going to exist for a long, long time

nacho libre · 28-12-2023 05:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121543985#Comment_121543985

Does that include pro Israel accounts on social media?

Igotadose · 28-12-2023 05:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121544177#Comment_121544177

Sure does!

jmreire · 28-12-2023 05:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121543892#Comment_121543892

And as sure as God made Green Apple's that advice was well heeded by Hamas. Waving flags and shouting " death to the Jews. From Sea to Sea, Palestine will be free" is all very fine, in protests and demonstrations etc. until you have to meet the Israeli's face to face. Since the very beginning, Hamas have buried themselves deep in civilian society, and then scream to the press " Israel are Mass Murderers, look at them bombing and killing in the safe zones " while conveniently forgetting that it was Hamas who started it by going to the safe zones themselves. This has been Hamas SOP from the beginning.

Furze99 · 28-12-2023 06:04PM

So Israel are now warning dire consequences on their other neighbours. Who will stop them in their tracks?

Furze99 · 28-12-2023 06:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121544189#Comment_121544189

Exactly and Israel and the USA have known this full well. One can only conclude that there is no consideration at all, as far as the IDF are concerned all residents of Gaza are members of Hamas or potential members or sympathisers - so they feel justified to slaughter as many as possible.

jmreire · 28-12-2023 06:17PM

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It is, until you have a quick look at the statistics for gun crime in the US. Solidary men, on the flimsiest of excuses, killing multiples of civilians with military grade weapons, and for sure, Israeli killing Palestinians in Gaza, is far from being a Flimsy excuse. Remember the Boston Marathon Bomber? Born in the US, but parents came from Chechnya. If I were in the same situation as you outlined, I'd be damn worried too. What do you think Tayto, that such an attack (or multiples) will take place in 2024?

SeanW · 28-12-2023 06:38PM

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Israel behaves like a country that has been under attack since it's creation and is surrounded by mortal enemies because ... it has been under attack constantly since its creation and is surrounded by mortal enemies. Some entity or another has been plotting to annihilate them continuously since 1947, and their strategic geography is beyond horrifying. It seems to me that these realities are what informs their thinking.

And I don't regard it as a co-incidence, at least not in full, that campaigns like BDS aim to do economically what others have (so far) failed to do by other means, that is, undermine and weaken Israel to the point where it can be obliterated by its enemies.

As to the anti-Semitism argument, the fact remains that nearly half the worlds Jews - and the largest group in all - live in Israel or the Disputed Territories. So to me, the dilemma is a simple one - you're either with them, or you're with the people who want to wipe them out.

Sudden Valley · 28-12-2023 06:45PM

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You can be against the actions of Israel now and not be against the Jewish people in general or antisemitic. I am not a supporter of the bds movement so its not every is on one side or the other, pro or anti Israel.

You are throwing the phrase antisemitic so freely in this thread that you as may as well be calling people woke. The parameters for being antisemitic are so fuzzy now that if support bds you can be accused as being antisemitic.

tayto lover · 28-12-2023 06:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121544189#Comment_121544189

I would like to see your proof of that instead of this same o; same ol all the time. Someone said earlier that Hamas were all underground while the civilian population were left above ground to suffer. Now you are saying that Hamas are above ground hiding behind the civilians. Let's see some proof or is the Israeli propaganda changing to suit their style of bombing?

And another thing. This did not start on Oct 7th. The Palestinians have been treated brutally for many years and Oct 7th was a brutal retaliation by them. Completely over the top and completely wrong and should never have happened, none the less a symptom of being treated like 'human animals' for many years.

tayto lover · 28-12-2023 06:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121544236#Comment_121544236

Far too much gun crime in the US and far too easy to own guns. '' I don't Like Monday's '' over and over again. Presidents and Governments too scared to change the laws on gun ownership.

suvigirl · 28-12-2023 07:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121544360#Comment_121544360

Ahhhhhnd there it is. Spelt out for everyone to see.

Israel deserved the terrorist attack. An extremely common belief, that we have seen repeated from the 8th Oct. Wouldn't have been said if it happened in any other country.

Do you feel the same about all terrorist attacks?

Sudden Valley · 28-12-2023 07:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121544425#Comment_121544425

The poster did say 711 was completely wrong. Clearly. So it would be like saying 911 was a reaction to previous American actions in the Middle East. It is being factual not supporting the action.

Timberrrrrrrr · 28-12-2023 07:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121544425#Comment_121544425

How much oppression would you take before you fought back?

Igotadose · 28-12-2023 07:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121544425#Comment_121544425

I have to disagree, the OP didn't say the attack was deserved. There's far more blatant 'death to Israel' posted here, the OP's post wasn't one of them.

nacho libre · 28-12-2023 07:34PM

I fear we are close to a second front opening up in Lebanon. If that happens all bets are off. No doubt the Americans will be putting pressure on the Lebanese, but their army is next to useless. So even if they wanted to they probably can't take on and defeat Hezbollah. Lebanon has little good options to choose from in this scenario. Maybe Hezbollah can be persuaded to move north of the river as per the agreement after the last war if they realise the alternative is a full scale war with Israel . Although that's probably very unlikely.

Wolf359f · 28-12-2023 07:43PM

You only have to see what's going on in the West Bank to understand when people say Oct 7th didn't occur in a vacuum. Maybe one day there will be an attack on Israel launched from the West Bank and people, like on here will be surprised it happened all of a sudden.

What did Israel do to deserve it etc.....

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/28/first-thing-un-report-condemns-israeli-treatment-of-palestinians-in-west-bank

That's 300 dead in the West Bank. Surely the people in the West Bank have a right to defend themselves against war crimes? Hate breeds hate. It's going to be just a vicious circle that goes around and around with higher death tolls each time.

Thelonious Monk · 28-12-2023 07:52PM

If I was from the UK and saw how spineless Keir Starmer has been on this issue I would have no idea who to vote for it the next election. He has brought shame on the Labour Party. Bring back Jezza.

nacho libre · 28-12-2023 07:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121544511#Comment_121544511

Have any settlers from the West Bank been charged by Israel for their attacks on Palestinians?

suvigirl · 28-12-2023 08:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121544450#Comment_121544450

In Gaza?

dmcdona · 28-12-2023 08:02PM

An Israeli military official has said that the use of the wrong munition led to "extensive collateral damage" in strikes targeting the Maghazi refugee camp on 24 December.

According to the Hamas-run health ministry, at least 86 people were killed by Israeli air strikes on the camp on Sunday, according to the UN, and that number could still rise.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67831997?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=658d98e9b255e96a9e4bb6e0%26What%20do%20we%20know%20about%20the%20Maghazi%20strike%3F%262023-12-28T15%3A52%3A50.947Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:30ff5f81-db9f-4129-9cfc-d25e2aaf4ec7&pinned_post_asset_id=658d98e9b255e96a9e4bb6e0&pinned_post_type=share

nacho libre · 28-12-2023 08:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121544536#Comment_121544536

He has learnt well from Tony Blair in positioning himself as Tory lite to appeal to floating voters while hanging on to the traditional vote.

As part of this process he recently praised Thatcher. He is trying to be all things to everyone at the moment. He is just lucky Sunak is in power at the moment. He is a great asset for the Labour Party. Just as Corbyn was for the Conservatives.

suvigirl · 28-12-2023 08:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121544461#Comment_121544461

Israel left Gaza in the capable hands of Hamas 20 years ago.....

if anyone is oppressing the Palestinian people, it's been Hamas.

dmcdona · 28-12-2023 08:05PM

This also from the BBC. Were the other 340 IDF soldiers killed in the Hamas attack of the 7th?

More than 500 Israeli troops have been killed since the war against Hamas began on 7 October, Israel's military has said.

It added more than 160 IDF soldiers had been killed since its ground offensive inside Gaza started in late October. Some 900 soldiers have been wounded since that operation began - with troops engaging in close combat with Hamas fighters.

volchitsa · 28-12-2023 08:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121538053#Comment_121538053

But the same thing happened in Dresden and Hamburg during WW2: civilians do die during conflict. Killing more civilians doesn't necessarily make that side wrong, just more efficient. Unless you think the Nazis should have been allowed to continue unopposed because otherwise innocent Germans would be killed?

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