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No you made something up. That's not paraphrasing.
You need to provide some actual detail on what you mean "be affordable for working people", who do you think is buying houses in Ireland at the moment?
Seems like a sweeping statement with nothing to back it up. Provide some clarity and I would love to respond. No need to make up any comments that nobody made FYI
There's people who think housing is affordable for working people in Ireland???
When I write my posts I assume the reader hasn't been living under a rock for the past decade. I make no apologies for that!
You didn't answer my question so I have to make the assumption you don't know the answer. So it would seem you are the one living under a rock.
Was that a real question? It came across as a weak excuse.
The answer: the buyers of houses in Ireland today 1) The state, under the guise of 'delivering' social housing. 2) Foreign and domestic investors. 3) Higher income earners and those with inherited wealth.
Good to see the Germans cracking down on the rural far-right.
In Ireland FFG would probably be calling them 'peaceful protesters', while some of their politicians join in the militia style blockades.
I’m not sure if this is the right place to raise this query:
Im in my late 60’s and up to recent years , I never heard of far right or far left. Yes left wing & right wing.
I’m of the opinion that all three parties currently in coalition need to be ousted. I’m also of the belief though that SF are not the alternative.
So, a genuine question, what category do I fall into?
Why do you have to fall into a category?
Vote for the party you think has the best plan for the net 5 years.
You are a far right racist and should vote for the National Party
Ok let me rephrase: what is far right & far left?
The cement levy starts on January 1st, 2024. It is expected to last for at least 6 years. So, if you buy a house that has not been fully completed before that date, you will be the one who ends up paying for the mica scandal.
Last 6 years? Just like the USC ?
Im in my late 60’s and fully expect I’ll be gone before this levy.
Also afaik isn’t there another 5c levy being slapped on a litre of fuel tomorrow night?
What was the alternative to pay for it?
Why should the potential house buyer pay for the ineptitude of people not doing their jobs to specification?
Really, can government supporters not come up with a better reply than this?
Again, so who was supposed to pay for it?
Not sure what the point of the "government supporters" comment is for, maybe you can explain.
Dunno about the fuel levy and most people are not nearly as old as you are. Besides, you probably have your housing needs sorted out by now so you would hardly be an interested party
The point being, anyone who buys a new house, built in 2024 or beyond will be the people who will be paying the cement levy.
An alternative, e.g. a tax on existing housing stock, or an increase in general taxation would mean other people would pay for it But, a cement levy means people who buy or rent properties built from this point forward will be the ones to pay for the mica scandal.
So the option is not one tax but just another type of tax?
I guess you are in the situation that you will need to build soon and this will increase cost so you want to move the tax onto others?
I’m not sure what You mean by housing needs sorted, I still have a mortgage.
But even if I did have no housing needs that doesn’t mean I don’t care if a levy is slapped on new houses when builders used inferior building materials - they are the people who should be penalised.
I am not a builder. I guess there are a lot of possible options when you think about it but what we have is the option that was decided upon by the government.
The cement makers will add the cost to their product and the builders will of course add the cost to the price of what they build.
So, it will be the people who buy the houses that get built from now on, who will pay for the mica scandal.
I agree the people who are to blame should be identified and made to pay. But, what should happen is very rarely what happens. People who buy houses that get built after today should not have to pay for the mica scandal. But, that is what the government has decided.
You come across as a green supporter and going from there, a government supporter.
If I’m wrong in my assumptions, please forgive me.
So pushing the cost of houses or rents is the way to go in the middle of a housing crises?
You are wrong
Anyway I am waiting for the alternative?
What are the other possible options? I have yet to see anything from you to explain what you would do or what you would like the government to do instead of the levy
But, certainly, I believe that this is a government that can be re-elected.
“We’re four years together now. We’ve worked well together. And while I know that opinion polls don’t predict the outcome of elections, because they certainly didn’t predict the last two, if you do believe in opinion polls you’ll see that the government parties have combined support of over 40 per cent. That’s not far off what a government needs to be re-elected.
I'm guessing he's just being polite to the Greens here. Surely he knows the polls have the Greens consistently round 3% and therefore unlikely to come back with more than two or three seats. Polite to the point of taking the proverbial with this bit
On whether Ryan would be brought in for a stint as rotating taoiseach, he said: “I think if all three parties were within 1 or 2 per cent of each other we’d certainly have to consider that.”
That last paragraph is very interesting. Either LV accepts that FG & FF are doomed or he is expecting a huge upsurge in green support. Just shows me those at the top really are out of touch.
I can't believe he genuinely sees the Greens on a par with FF and FG as a realistic prospect. He's either bending over backwards to show 'respect' to Eamon Ryan or he's taking the mickey by pretending to entertain that ludicrous scenario.
Same boat as you sir and I reckon we are not alone, there doesn't seem to be a viable alternative to the quartet you posted.
None of whom I would be inclined to vote for again.
I will vote for an independent or two and will have look at some alternatives as much as a protest vote as anything else.
Also will be voting a resounding no in the forthcoming referendum.
It will be “a number of years” before 40,000 new homes per annum can be delivered, according to Tánaiste Micheál Martin. [1]
"Two separate pieces of research into required housing targets are currently being conducted by the Economic and Social Research Institute (ESRI) and the Housing Commission. Both pieces of research are expected to recommend the state needs at least 50,000 new homes a year, significantly more than the 31,000 expected to be built this year."
Not good news on the housing completions front from this government, things are only going to get worse for years to come apparently. It can only really be called gross incompetence at this stage, years into the housing crisis.
[1]https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2023/12/30/tanaiste-micheal-martin-says-it-will-be-number-of-years-before-40000-homes-per-year-built/
[2]https://www.businesspost.ie/news/esri-we-need-to-build-50000-homes-per-year-to-meet-demand/
...ah shur commentators such as ronan lyons have been mentioning those type of figures for years now, and since the last crash to, so theyve had enough information for long enough now, and have simply ignored it, theyre screwed now, but the reality is, no one actually knows what to do about this now, we ve hit a capacity limit, this will take years to resolve, well into next decade anyway.....
...this is a monumental ideological failure, and our main government parties are not willing to accept this reality, so we re now gonna do what many other countries are currently in the process of doing, by turning to more extremes to force change, and it wont end well!
