so to be clear you believe that the plan all along was to inspire a nation?
Jesus Christ this is ridiculous
So you have no evidence at all? You're just making things up?
Apologies to every one for wasting your time on this
You shouldn't be just making things up but apology accepted. Fair play.
No need to apologise, your points were completely logical.
Some threads should be strangled at birth....like this one. Reading this pile of ordure is more excruciating than watching Ulster play.
We at least now know a new word:
ordure
/ˈɔːdj(ʊ)ə/
noun
excrement; dung.
something regarded as vile or abhorrent.
"can you give credence to this ordure?"
Which is fair enough in isolation. But the constant level of criticism isn’t commensurate with the performance and results of this team over the last 2 years.
I’ve been making this point to you for ages so can remember the following off the top of my head:
Look, should they have won team of the year after losing the QF? Probably not. But the level of criticism you mete out isn’t tempered by the same level of praise when the team do well.
They put a 17 game winning streak together; only 2 teams ever have ever beaten that.
(You do attract a lot of heat here, but I will say one thing is that you never attack the poster, rather than the post, which is to your credit).
Why dwell? It serves no purpose. The past will not change. It's a complete waste of energy and time.
The Six Nations is around the corner and it's going to be fascinating.
Those who do not remember their past are condemned to repeat their mistakes.
Well I for one hope we make the same mistake next year in the six Nations...
Winning the six nations would be brilliant. Irrelevant to my point about going into the next World Cup having learned nothing about dealing with pressure in the quarter finals.
But what has that to do with me? I'm an onlooker.
And funny enough France arent labelled as bottle jobs despite failing in a worse fashion!
Why would you think it had anything to do with you?
What can Ireland do to learn how to deal with the pressure of a quarter final of a world cup?
I'm some randomer on the internet. You hardly think I'd have the answers for that. But from my amateur viewpoint, the first part in fixing a problem is admitting you have one. Every 4 years we brush over the issue, find excuses or just lie to ourselves pretending there's not a choking issue.
Then I'd say it'd be time to get professionals involved. Obviously we have psychologists on board already but they need to focus on this issue. World Cup quarter finals cause us to collapse time after time. Like Mayo in All Ireland finals. Obviously it's not an easy fix but I'm worried we're letting ego's rule here.
They don't want to admit to weakness. It's not an easy thing to face up to. But until we do, lessons won't be learned. There's my amateur advice for them.
Shure mayo are cursed
They need an exorcist
‘They don’t want to admit to weakness (in the media?). But until we do, lessons won’t be learned’.
I agree with the amateur part at least.
And the award for the most predictable reply to a post goes to......clsmooth. Congratulations. 😊
I think you’re focusing on a lazy narrative and not actually looking back at previous World Cups and analysing where things went wrong for us.
Can you share what you feel went wrong at each of the last 5 World Cups?
I don't. That's my point. But you do know that.
Happy Christmas to all Irish fans!
This time around, I felt they played within themselves. Could have been the plan. There's very little between the top 4.
It seems that the IRFU are failing to admit that the problem you see exists. Or possibly, they do recognise that this problem exist and are brushing over the issue and finding excuses and pretending that there isn't a 'choking' issue.
There is a clear need to point this out to them in a manner that they can't ignore.
Have you any thoughts on how this might be accomplished ?.
Well, I agree in that brushing over the issue seems to be the preferred method. You can even see it on threads like this. Discuss anything but the choking issue. As I've said before, you can understand why this is done. It's a difficult topic to acknowledge, nevermind discuss.
As for getting the IRFU's attention, we could type a strongly worded email. Or what are your ideas?
People who say "Ireland always choke" are also conflating choking with just being bad which was the case for the majority of our world cups.
They also think that what’s discussed here is in anyway relevant to what is discussed behind closed doors.
I still can't get my head around people perceiving losing a 1 score game to NZL counts as choking...the bookies had it as a 2 point game for a reason. If Ireland lost like they did in 2019 or 2015 then you could perceive it as choking but not 2023.
I still can't get my head around people perceiving losing a 1 score game to NZL counts as choking
"In sports, choking is the failure of a person, or persons, to act or behave as anticipated or expected"
Before the game, everyone was saying we were the better team and would win by 10 points. Then we gave by far our worst performance of the tournament in our most important game
