Israel/Palestine Thread

Nice wall of waffle, means nothing but sure.....you tried I suppose.

Quote:- "Russians protecting themselves against the Christians Caucasians" Un quote.

Can you explain this a bit Donald? I've spent time in the North Caucasus, ( Ingushetia )but this is a bit of a puzzle to me,

Please don't tell me that's news to you.

https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/fringe-left-groups-express-support-hamass-invasion-and-brutal-attacks-israel

It doesn't say in what you quoted that "BLM openly supported the Hamas attack"

Are you still saying that BLM did openly support the Hamas attack?

Did you read that link yourself?

"It is important to note that Black Lives Matter chapters are run independently from the national Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, and many are completely unaffiliated. The Black Lives Matter national organization has not yet commented on the current Israel-Hamas war. "

Some chapters have commented independently on the matter (and some of those comments are horrible). However, the parent organisation has not said anything one way or the other so your statement that BLM supports Hamas is false.

No, it'd be like using posters from this thread as proof that Ireland supports Israel because some Irish passport holders support Israel. Because other Irish passport holders support Palestine, you could say Ireland supports Israel and Palestine at the same time with your logic, i.e. its nonsense.

There is no official line from BLM supporting Hamas. Until there is, your statement is false.

Do you have more evidence of Black supremacists being anti-semitic? You say it shouldn't be news so there must be plenty as your tone suggests its commonplace.

In your very first link, the ADL itself says "Some, not all".

I'm familiar with the NOI and I'd wager their anti-Semitism is more based on them being Muslims as opposed to Black supremacists.

The final link did have some interesting and uncomfortable stats showing that anti-semitic tropes are used more frequently among African-Americans, though the latest figures don't indicate it being a majority.

Its certainly something that's there but I still disagree that these African Americans are only siding with Palestinians out of anti-Semitism. Do you not think it could be that they see parallels in how they were/are treated in the US? This is a common reason for Irish people who empathise with the Palestinian struggle (it certainly applies in my case) so I don't think it unfathomable that members of another historically oppressed people think similarly.

I know. And when someone makes a blanket claim that it can't be secular because it has religious symbols in its public life, it's perfectly reasonable to look at other countries which also have religious symbols and an established religion to consider whether that fact alone is enough to make a country "not secular". So unless you're going to claim that the UK is "not secular", and that non C of Es are at a disadvantage in the UK, that's clearly not enough evidence for Israel either.

But maybe there is more evidence? For instance like in Gaza, where Hamas has harassed the few remaining Christians out of public life to the extent that they can barely even get jobs at the foreign-run Christian NGOs providing aid to the population, since Hamas' funds generally go to what is to them the far more important aim of destroying Israel?

Unlike Israel where Christians and Druze and Muslims are employed at the highest levels of the state. Seems sufficiently secular to me. Bit like the UK really.

Any links from a proper news site?

I questioned your assertion.

And I denied your demonstrably false statement that BLM supports Hamas, which your own evidence agrees with.

Understanding a possible reason why people would sympathise with Palestinians is not anti-Semitism. It is sympathising with an oppressed people.

Show clearly for everyone where I justified anti-Semitism.

I'm the source. Lived in Ireland 30 odd years and the first thing I say to anyone I meet, is that I'm a proud jew.

We take it from there.