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{Resolved} Mod has warned me but apparently it’s not a warning?

tom1ie

Hi, I’m getting fairly confused as to what is going on with the standard of modding on this site.

I was warned for absolutely no reason on a motoring thread.

When I questioned why I was warned I then got a second warning.

I raised this with the dispute resolution and heard nothing back for 3 days.

I followed up and got told I received the warning as I questioned the first warning on the thread- which was irrelevant as It was the first warning Im enquiring about.

I heard nothing back for another 3 days.

I queried this again and another mod said they look into it and again three days later I had to follow up.

I eventually heard back from another mod and they said I’d to follow up here as the first warning was an “informal” warning.

Now if this was an “informal” warning then why couldn’t I question it on the thread and why was I given a second warning?

Im getting pretty annoyed with this run around modding and I’d like someone to address this.

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tom1ie

Here is the link to being referred here:

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121508438#Comment_121508438

tom1ie

Here is the link to the original issue and the original mod who doesn’t like anyone disagreeing with him is liamog:

https://www.boards.ie/messages/9329696#Message_9547731

Big Bag of Chips

Hiya tom1ie,

The sitewide rule is you do not question a moderator instruction or warning on thread as it is off topic. By questioning it on thread the thread then becomes an over and back between a poster/posters and a moderator and the actual topic of the thread gets sidelined. If you receive an on thread/informal warning from a moderator the correct procedure is to send them a PM to clarify what you are being asked to do, or not to do.

You were given an informal warning/instruction on thread. You then questioned the moderator instruction on thread which resulted in a warning for off topic posting.

I apologise that there was a delay in responding to your DRP thread, but it's a busy time of year. Moderators are all volunteers. And your original query wasn't an actual DRP. I saw it this morning and suggested you post here instead of there as this is the more appropriate forum to question any action that isn't an official warning ie a warning that carries points and is applied to your account.

tom1ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121508997#Comment_121508997

But i didn’t know it was an informal warning- I’ve never heard of that before so how was I supposed to know to PM the mod?

This is all because that mod wants one side of an argument shut down which is surely unacceptable on a public chat forum?

There was nothing outlandish about what I was saying either!

Big Bag of Chips

You've been a member of the site since 2007. Are you saying you've never seen, or received, an on-thread warning? And you've never seen the instruction to not reply on thread?

Not everyone is going to know every rule of the site. We are aware that posters don't read Forum Charters! But once an error has been pointed out posters often acknowledge that and in turn the moderator will often remove the official (points) warning and everyone moves on.

You were given an informal, on thread warning. You questioned it on thread which was considered off-topic posting for which you then received an official warning. If you would like to discuss with the moderator in question, without taking digs, then you might be able to come to an agreement.

tom1ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121509806#Comment_121509806

correct I’ve been a member since 2007 and I’ve never received an informal warning, and actual warning, yes but an informal- no.

There is absolutely no point talking to that mod as that poster only wants their side of the argument posted on the thread which is ridiculous.

What is the point of being on this forum if you can’t put a different POV across on a thread only to given an informal warning and then a proper warning for questioning an informal warning- I mean it’s ludicrous!

That mods attitude leaves a lot to be desired tbh.

liamog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121509869#Comment_121509869

The on-thread instruction to move on from the topic was due to you derailing many threads with the same line of reasoning and your statement on the post that you would repeatedly go down this rabbit hole. Whether or not I agree with your opinion was irrelevant to the on-thread instruction, I felt it's time to move on and that it's no longer conducive to good discussions to have you re-visit the topic on a monthly basis on many threads.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121408174#Comment_121408174

Post history on the topic

23rd Oct on this thread https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121276574/#Comment_121276574

20th Oct (and pretty much monthly on that thread) on another motors thread https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121261528/#Comment_121261528

26th Jun on the EV Price war thread https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120767652#Comment_120767652

20th Jun on a Battery thread https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120745615#Comment_120745615

24th May on an EV average prices thread https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120635100#Comment_120635100

11th April on an Unhappy with owning EV's thread https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120466871#Comment_120466871

tom1ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121510037#Comment_121510037

@liamog I’m not sure why you are commenting on this as you should be no longer part of this conversation.

You have posted posts where I state my opinion across 6 different threads.

What is your problem with a poster stating their position across 6 different threads- is that against the rules.

I have derailed no thread as- going on your evidence- I am posting and replying to different posters on 6 different threads.

You don’t like what I have to say and have made it personal now accusing me of derailing threads and giving me informal warnings because it goes against what your narrative- that is completely unacceptable on a public forum.

I request that you retract the informal warning (that led to me getting a “real”warning on a technicality)- and that you make it clear on that thread that I should not have received the original informal warning.

liamog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121510192#Comment_121510192

If you are going to make false assertions about me as below, then I think I'm entitled to explain why expressing your particular pov repeatedly will be treated as off-topic, that way anybody assesing the situation can do so knowing the full facts.

There is absolutely no point talking to that mod as that poster only wants their side of the argument posted on the thread which is ridiculous.

tom1ie

That’s not a false accusation.

You have given me an informal warning for precisely what I’m saying- when I questioned it you gave me an official warning.

It’s pretty poor modding IMO and needs to be addressed.

I generally don’t get bothered by this sort of stuff but your modding attitude has annoyed me to the point where I feel I should get an apology.

For example posters on economics threads don’t get informal warnings for mentioning the pitfalls of getting into debt a few times over the course of a few months over multiple economic threads - why should I be treated any different?

liamog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121510313#Comment_121510313

Generally, I'll give people a fair bit of rope with drifting off-topic as you were given on multiple threads. On thread instructions are usually enough to get it back to order. If someone makes the statement that they are going to pull the topic repeatedly in the same way, then a more specific clarification that the direction will be treated as off-topic is warranted.

Big Bag of Chips

@tom1ie liamog is as entitled to post in this thread as you are.

tom1ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121510640#Comment_121510640

How is what I said off topic liamog?

tom1ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121510923#Comment_121510923

Fair enough

liamog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121510987#Comment_121510987

The thread that resulted in the intervention via a mod note is titled "This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying" the thread is for people to discuss EV's posted for sale and whether or not they are a good price. A bargain having somewhat been defined as offering a good price compared to similar car's available for sale. I.e. if the going rate for an Ioniq EV is €18k and someone find's one on offer for €14k then it can be viewed as a bargain.

Getting into the weeds on whether you should factor in monthly loan payments or depreciation + interest when calculating total cost of ownership is a discussion that's already been had by yourself on the thread and is irrelevant to the ongoing discussion. It's a topic that you clearly care a lot about, if you do want to discuss it further then I'd recommend you post a thread about it. I don't believe it's an EV related thread so perhaps you'd enjoy a broader audience by doing so on the more general Motors forum.

A common test I apply is if I replace a given EV with a Ford Fiesta does the substance of the topic change, for instance people looking for insurance get redirected to the Insurance forum. If people want to talk about how to drive an EV around a roundabout, I'd redirect it to the Motor's forum as roundabout usage may be controversial, but the drive train doesn't matter.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121511233#Comment_121511233

Then why don’t you apply your narrow definition of what is allowed to be posted to all posters on the bargain alerts thread? That thread goes off topic all the time. I’d say 10% of the posts are about a specific ev bargain

even prior to this particular thread I got the feeling that you have been singling out the op and “picking” on them trying to drive them away. It’s a common theme over the years only seen on the forum you moderate. Alternative views are not welcome and bans will be applied only to those with an alternative view

horse7

You will not win with the mods, even when they post in a forum not in their mod area, if you flag something they post you will get a warning, not a message to say it's against the rules to flag a mod. I would suggest mods stick to modding and not posting. Happy Christmas to everyone.

tom1ie

I just can’t understand how pointing out a fact across 6 different threads over a number of months is viewed as derailing one particular thread to the point where I’m given an “informal” warning (an informal warning was something I wasn’t aware of) and then an actual warning on a technicality.

This is deemed fair modding?

liamog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121513237#Comment_121513237

I've had 3 mod interactions with tom1ie. 1 to tell them to move on with the topic, 2 follow on warnings to tell them to not discuss the mod action on thread. All 3 interactions were in single day and are effectively a single incident. If you think a single incident being moderated is someone being singled out then you clearly have no understanding of what moderating a discussion involves.

Big Bag of Chips

You will not win with the mods, even when they post in a forum not in their mod area, if you flag something they post you will get a warning, not a message to say it's against the rules to flag a mod

Have you examples of this? It is not against the rules to flag a moderator. Moderators have received warnings, thread bans, forum bans etc. some moderators have even had their moderator privileges removed.

The nature of the role means we regularly got complaints about moderators or their posts. Not all complaints are legitimate though. Same way as not every reported post, regardless of who posts it, needs to be actioned.

If you have evidence where you made a legitimate report on a moderator and you received a warning for it please forward it to me for investigation.

Thanks.

liamog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121513359#Comment_121513359

Most people's reaction to a warning for discussing mod action on thread is a "sorry didn't realise" followed by PM's discussing the actual mod action. In this case the "discussion of mod action" warning usually gets reversed. To post further discussion of mod action on the thread (as you did) after the first warning appears to show that at the time you still didn't understand what the formal warning was issued for.

You have a pattern of posting the same conversation on multiple threads, including the same thread where this mod instruction was posted a month earlier. What triggered the mod action this time compared to others was your statement:

however I will continue to post this whenever I see it remarked on a thread that an EV is suitable for all when they clearly aren’t.

This indicates to me you clearly intend to repeatedly bring threads back to the same place, which will result in the same circular conversations. The mod action is designed to avoid this and indicate that further discussion along this line will likely be treated as off topic. If it is a topic you feel needs discussion, then post a thread about it on the motors forum that way the conversation isn't buried on a number of threads, meaning that people who don't feel like reading the conversation again can choose not to.

z80CPU

The debate in this thread is being handled in the exact predictable way as the debate about "The young scientists exhibition 2024" annual thread will go:

In that one the Students in the young scientists thread are helped to 'win' the debate about how great it was.

Okay mods YOU WIN!!!!!

entertaining.

Big Bag of Chips

The only Moderators who have posted in this thread are the moderator who is the subject of the discussion and me.

I have explained to the OP the correct procedure to follow to discuss his issue, and I have explained to another poster that moderators are not above being warned where warranted. I have asked the poster to forward me an example of what they are referring to so that I can look at.

I'm not sure why you feel the need to exclaim

Okay mods YOU WIN!!!!

Can you explain what you mean and why you feel this thread is somehow "predictable"?

tom1ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121513792#Comment_121513792

Liamog I am only putting forward a point of view yhat the loan repayments on new cars be they EV or ICE have to be factored into the running cost of the car.

I post this in response to certain other posters who put forward the narrative that this loan repayment is not a cost.

I wonder how you have dealt with certain other posters who constantly dispute this across multiple motoring threads on a much more regular basis than I post my retort to them?

Surely if I’m receiving warnings- informal or otherwise, fair and proper modding would suggest the same would be true In that case?

Can you show examples of where the counter argument to my points have been equally as “informally” modded?

To pre empt your response- no I will not be posting examples of other posters starting the counter discussion as

A) I don’t have the time for this nonsense

B) I believe a discussion forum should be for open discussion funnily enough and not an echo chamber for certain individuals who all have a common ideology.

C) I’m not a mod.

Now as I have previously said if you want this resolves just clarify the position on the thread in question- remove any warnings you may have given me with a clarification that the warnings were unwarranted and we can get back to normal.

liamog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121515184#Comment_121515184

The instruction to move on and not post the discussion will remain. I've suggested to you a few times to create your own thread on the topic if you feel it's a worthy topic of discussion.

If you do feel someone is pushing the counter point on a thread in the EV subforum feel free to report it. As much as the mod instruction was aimed at you for instigating it this time, I'll apply the same to other posters where I feel it's necessary.

If you are willing to acknowledge that you were incorrect to discuss the mod action on thread and in future deal with mod interaction via PM I'll happily drop those warnings.

tom1ie

I will of course acknowledge that I shouldn’t have discussed the informal warning on thread if you acknowledge the informal warning was unwarranted and then ill happily drop this complaint.

?Cee?view

Tom1ie,

I think you need to accept that boards.ie is not the discussion board it used to be. You’re wasting your time discussing mods actions. If you disagree you simply get referred to the Category Mod who probably appointed them in the first place.

boards.ie is useful for asking direct factual questions but as a place to express opinions which go against the management or moderators viewpoint, it’s day is done. I got annoyed with that until I realised that it really doesn’t actually matter.

horse7

You,LL never win.

liamog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121515369#Comment_121515369

As I stated earlier the on-thread instruction will remain.

tom1ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121515451#Comment_121515451

Ok so you’re refusing to meet me half way.

Thats a pity tbh and a poor reflection on the quality of modding on boards.ie.