Yeah. When I think of the Irish government altruism is the first thing that pops into my head.
You have retailers making 2c per can they bring back, why not incentivise to get 17c/27c if you bring them back to re-turn yourself?
Netherlands, as i posted elsewhere was wierd. They introduced only for large bottles first, then small bottles and very recently cans. Every producer i've spoken to in the Netherlands has said that that approach wasnt ideal. It has been introduced in Romania in the last few weeks. It will be coming in Greece and Poland in the next year or so. All EU countries that dont have a collection rate of 90% pet and aluminium by 2027 will need to implement a DRS under the new Packaging and Packaging Waste Regs that are currently being finalised by the EU. The reason for that is that DRS is the only scheme consistently proven to deliver those high rates of recycling and a serparate waste stream which allows bottle to bottle recycling.
You've hit the nail on the head, there is no better solution. I don't think anybody is claiming DRS doesn't work or that it's more hassle on the majority of people or that it won't lead to an increase the cost of your home collection but nobody has come up with another way of getting to 90%+ recycling rates
At my local Aldi @ 11:25am this morning.
Closed.
If I'd dragged all my bottles down with me, I'd be totally pissed off!
It will be closed till February 1st. It doesnt go live till then.
But I've seen it open before and people inside? Maybe they were working on it?
Is that the one in belgard? The people in it recently were working on it.
Yep. All the trials are supposed to be over. They are all supposed to be dormant except for IT testing till Feb 1.
Especially if you threw your shopping in on top of them and heard what will be one of the most agonising sounds imaginable of alu and plastic squashing😩
Also it's worth noting that even when they do open they will only pay out on the containers that have had a deposit paid on them.
All non deposit containers will still go in the green bin.
Yes.
That would explain it, so, because there were people inside and lights on (it was in the evening).
There shouldn't be any containers with the logo even sold til Feb 1st, but there are some already out and about
Maybe they'll be worth more than 15c in the future to collectors, like first edition stamps with quirky errors.
Better draught my adverts posts.
"For sale: slightly distressed can of Full Sail with too early a best before date to be valid - €6000"
Yep. Although realistically, the timescales will be fairly short.
The first month will be messy, but after that it will be fairly straightforward
with just a few weeks left until this return scheme starts in February, has anyone actually seen any cans or bottles with the new logo yet? I havent
None supposed to be released for sale until the start date Retailers allowed 2 months until April to get rid of bar coded stock.
No, but I think there's a transition period between February and May so I wouldn't expect to see them yet.
It'll be interesting during the transition period to see if there are the same drinks on certain shelves, some with the logo and some without and selling for less.
I suppose it will depend on stock levels.
If an product is selling well the retailer will want to keep it on the shelves.
It won't make much difference really because if you pay the higher price including deposit you will get it back on return.
As an example, I'd rather pay the deposit on a beer I like and go to the trouble of returning than buy a beer I don't like to avoid the deposit.
I know you get the deposit back, the whole thread is about that subject so I'm not sure why you're pointing it out. I was just saying in theory it could be possible to buy 2 six packs at the same time and pay different prices for both during the changeover.
Yes, but they shouldn't be out yet. Some Galway Bay and Vocation beer cans have had it
Sorry, I didn't mean you personally, I was using you in a general sense.
I think if given a choice between buying old stock and new I'd go for the old stock just to avoid the inconvenience of the return for refund.
Long term I'm considering changing to glass bottles for the same reason.
You've never seen people pushing multiple shopping trolleys full of plastic bottles and cans in the US...really?
Don't have to go to the US to see that. It's a common sight in many European countries, especially the day after big street festivals such as Pride etc.
End of May. Transition for sale of existing stock is 4 months.
I see that in Germany you can put non-labelled bottles and cans (for example foreign bought ones) into the RVMs, you don't get any cash for them but it's certainly a forward-thinking measure
Probably to do with Germany having land borders with nine countries.
Be nice if we could have an all Ireland solution here though.
Probably yes, can't be that hard or costly to implement though
Hugely difficult to have an all island solution unless you have an all-islands solution. NI, though still part of the single market, also comes under the UK Internal Markets Act. Any NI scheme is going to have to be close in nature to the GB scheme(s). Indeed, due to the somewhat irregular nature of NI Government, the scheme will be designed to tie in with the English scheme (not likely to be too disimilar to the Welsh / Scottish varieties). CUrrency means the schemes would never be a perfect fit. The UK Government have been pretty proactive in reaching out to producers and the scheme operator in Ireland, so hopefully the schemes can be as close as possible, but they will not be the same.
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