I wonder how this will work out for him
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After all the dram the family cause in court is it not time the rest were locked up for contempt of court too?
giving up his freedom for what he believes in,,fair play to him,i hope everything works out in his favour
He has defied a court order and refused to purge his contempt, all around a pretty straightforward situation where he was not wanted on the grounds of the school, his refusal to leave requiring legal intervention. His beliefs don't come into it and admiring flagrant ignoring of the law and waste of tax payers money is ... well it's a choice!
'Giving up his freedom for what he believes in' is certainly one way of looking at it. You could also say that he's ramming his contrary beliefs down everyone's throat and has ended up in jail because he's a monstrously arrogant a$$hole. For balance, like.
Any empty place at the Burke table this year. Perhaps all spaces will be empty as I’m sure they’ll spend their Christmas protesting somewhere (with no one paying attention)
Which belief?
The one that the court has no authority over him?
The one where he wasnt sacked
which belief is it that he’s in jail and refusing to leave for having?
Of course the predictable response will be “no his Christian ones about the transgender”, but that’s not relevant to his contempt of court.
So what of the two reasons above have him in jail? Btw, they’re both pretty stupid reasons to be in prison
The thing is: he didn't actually have to give up his freedom - he could have stood up for what he believed in and stayed out of jail.
That's where he crossed the line from brave to utterly moronic.
No thanks. I like to stay as far away from them brainwashed fools as possible.
At least Enoch has being brought up from birth in a cult as a reason to believe his actions are somehow rational.
The "religious beliefs" lads now on twitter.
As I said previously , he's entitled to his viewpoint , but he's not entitled to refuse to follow the process.
If he didn't agree with the request from his boss there is a clearly defined process for him to object.
Shouting and roaring at a public event and abusing his Boss is not it.
THAT behaviour and ONLY that behaviour is what has him where he is today - Not his views , not his religion not anything other than he refusal to engage in the process.
He is in effect, standing in the middle of the room with his fingers in his ears shouting "lalalalalala" and as long as he keeps doing that nothing will change.
Who is the "THEY"?
What's to be gained from keeping him in prison? People will say he's in contempt, what happens if he decides to remain in contempt, how long do you keep him imprisoned? Another month, another year, another ten years?
We're already in ridiculous territory here, are we going to another step further and let this farce continue indefinitely?
He isn't disrupting hundreds of students education while he's in prison.
He will the instant he's let out.
I would leave him there for life and not bother with the checkup hearings. He can leave at any time he wants, those hearings just give him more of the attention he craves.
Until he purges his contempt. Something entirely within his control.
As to what is to be gained? He is not standing outside a school full of kids every day making a scene and causing distraction and hassle. Must be a great relief for the parents and students.
Surely we all have to agree that the rule of law has to be upheld for the good of society as a whole, or else why would anyone pay a blind bit of notice to what a court says? He's clearly in contempt, and has utter contempt for the courts and modern society.
I'm ok with him spending his life there, IF HE SO CHOOSES.
He can always get out, whenever he wants, if he purges his contempt. It's still all in his hands.
It’s a good point.
Have any of the family suffered any penalty for their abusive behavior?
Maybe one offense ain’t so serious, but it’s been repeated multiple times. Nobody should have to suffer abuse while at work doing their jobs.
Is it even possible (legally) that the courts could force the school to take him back ?
if there’s one thing about Enoch, he seems to know how to get away with stuff with the courts.
but surely the school wouldn’t need to take him back ever, he’s a convicted felon right ?
Why not bring the gallows back and hang him from a rope then? It would be more effective than leaving him in prison until he dies of old age.
Because that would be illegal, duh. Next question?
It's up to the judge, apparently.
Incarceration isn't the answer but what can the school do to keep him away from the front gate? The courts could go after his assets but how successful do you think that will be given that he has no intention of paying the injunction fines?
He'll be in there a while yet anyway. The record for Incarceration for not purging contempt is 14 years, btw..
It's no less ludicrous than arguing for a lifetime spent in prison.
It's in his own hands. The only person keeping Burke in prison, is Burke.
He can leave prison at any time he wants. The judge repeated that again today.
All he has to do is give an undertaking to stay away from Wilsons Hospital School.
Still nothing about Justice Dignam's ruling on the matter of the DAP?
He should be given a restraining order to stay away from the prison for the lols.
Because it's Enoch Burke's choice to be in jail. Ultimately once the disciplinary process concludes he'll be let out. Assuming his dismissal is upheld and he turns up at the school he'll face the same consequences as any random person turning up at a school for no reason.
This isn't about Enoch Burke's beliefs around transgenderism. If it is he's gone about it the worst way possible. If he had actually followed the legal process he would have been far more successful regardless of the ultimate outcome. And even better he wouldn't have had to spend a day in jail.
In many ways it's tragic, Enoch Burke is in jail because he is part of a cult and that cult believes they are effectively god and above the law. The only thing keeping Enoch Burke in jail are the unfortunate delusions in his own head.
He reminds me of the stories of the Japanese soldiers who refused to believe Japan lost WW2. Some of them spent literally decades hiding and fighting a guerilla campaign against an imagined enemy on some isolated Pacific islands. Victims of their own minds. Hopefully Enoch Burke will see sense a lot sooner.
"Convicted felon"?
That's an american term, it is not used in this country.
No, he has not been convicted of any criminal offence, as to date this a civil matter, and he is in civil contempt.
But that could change.
He will never be returning to WHS no matter how much he fantasizes about it (and probably any other school in Ireland, for that matter).
He can leave at any moment he wants to. He just doesn't want to.
No it wouldn’t. You’re being silly now.
Imprisonment for contempt of court is a coercive punishment basically to show you what you’re doing isn’t going to work. Make you rethink your behaviour.
Hanging someone is barbaric and murder. You can’t teach a lesson to the dead.
Honestly these kinds of arguments are so stale and tired by now. He’s not been jailed by a commie government for speaking out he’s been jailed by the High Court for endlessly refusing to abide by their orders.
he’s a role model for anarchy and injustice. His continued existence in mountJoy goes to demonstrate that even in Ireland you won’t get away with breaking the law forever. That you cannot defy the rule of the second highest court in the land and prance about freely to do so.
Burke has on the other hand demonstrated that he feels above the law and can simply shout or talk his way out of any situation he finds himself in. I’ve met people like him who have no regard for the law and feel like the best approach is to go to court, abuse judges, cry corruption and campaign and be loud.
Incidentally, those individuals, Burke included are— or were at one point in prison.
Throughout their time there I understand they still lived convinced of being hard done by and unfairly jailed by a corrupt system. That said their saving grace was a custodial, time limited sentence. Burke may well spend the rest of his days in prison and it will be no one’s fault but his own.
Think about it like.. he’d rather be in jail than just not go to the school. Fair enough he thinks he shouldn’t be fired & God bless, but there’s a process to follow and he just refuses to do so. How can you justify this behaviour honestly?
the only acceptable explanation really is he knows he’s never going to be reinstated & at this stage he’s likely to be removed from the teaching council register. Like Ammi I think he’s trying to form some sort of notoriety in order to attempt to remain relevant.
I do not suspect he will be in prison indefinitely either. I imagine eventually the court will stop having the check in hearings every few months and at that point I suspect he will, quietly no doubt, purge his contempt.
i suspect he will not do so before— or during a scheduled hearing in order to “save face” in the media.
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