Especially if you threw your shopping in on top of them and heard what will be one of the most agonising sounds imaginable of alu and plastic squashing😩
Yep. All the trials are supposed to be over. They are all supposed to be dormant except for IT testing till Feb 1.
Is that the one in belgard? The people in it recently were working on it.
But I've seen it open before and people inside? Maybe they were working on it?
It will be closed till February 1st. It doesnt go live till then.
At my local Aldi @ 11:25am this morning.
Closed.
If I'd dragged all my bottles down with me, I'd be totally pissed off!
You've hit the nail on the head, there is no better solution. I don't think anybody is claiming DRS doesn't work or that it's more hassle on the majority of people or that it won't lead to an increase the cost of your home collection but nobody has come up with another way of getting to 90%+ recycling rates
Netherlands, as i posted elsewhere was wierd. They introduced only for large bottles first, then small bottles and very recently cans. Every producer i've spoken to in the Netherlands has said that that approach wasnt ideal. It has been introduced in Romania in the last few weeks. It will be coming in Greece and Poland in the next year or so. All EU countries that dont have a collection rate of 90% pet and aluminium by 2027 will need to implement a DRS under the new Packaging and Packaging Waste Regs that are currently being finalised by the EU. The reason for that is that DRS is the only scheme consistently proven to deliver those high rates of recycling and a serparate waste stream which allows bottle to bottle recycling.
You have retailers making 2c per can they bring back, why not incentivise to get 17c/27c if you bring them back to re-turn yourself?
Yeah. When I think of the Irish government altruism is the first thing that pops into my head.
It was implemented in California in 1987, currently it's 5c if under 24floz and 10c on 24 floz and above on almost any container that contained a liquid other than wine and dairy. The containers can be aluminum, glass, plastic resins and bi-metals. However you have to return these containers to specific recycling locations which usually attract drug users. 24floz is about 710ml so most containers, specifically beer are in the 5c bracket. It's seen by most over there as just being another tax (in fact - sales tax applies to the deposit at point of sale but not at return) and most just put their recycling into the household recycling bins.
However, their recycling rates are about 80% so even that very flawed system produces better results than what we have at the moment
I'm not a fan of the proposed system but I'm not sure of a better one to improve the recycling rates
In a perfect world, but then you'd get smart arses gaming it, buying cans for the sole purpose of claiming them back. It would be just like the renewable heat incentive in the north.
Working fine in Germany since at least the early 2000s. Used it myself prior to emigrating to Ireland. At this point, it's a well established and mature system, And I see no reason why it shouldn't work over here. Ireland isn't that special.
There's a link in another thread to a NL report suggesting uptake has poor for plastic bottles so far - 58% of drink bottles sold were returned for deposit. They have 28,000 collection points according to the article, will be interesting to see how many we have come February.
Netherlands introduced it quite recently. Various US states also recently. Working fine
It works fine everywhere, basically
Genuine question, I'm not for or against this yet. Has this worked anywhere else? I don't mean years ago, I mean in the recent past and coming off a similar base to ours.
The RVM manufacturers definitely make money.
Don't worry, it's intended for somebody to make money off this, and if they don't it'll go bye bye
Not going to happen. This isn't meant to make money
This gives the spec. of one type.
Claims up to 5000 cans.
Try and explain that to the fools on social media who are using the picture to scaremonger terribly gullible people.
Hopefully by this time next year Sielaff will be a distant memory stung by the losses they made in Ireland.
Looking at the size of that machine I assume the machine crushes the returns after they have been scanned, the volume looks fairly small. Anyone seen any figures for the capacity of these machines?
That was for Lidl's unconnected trial. It was never part of the incoming national system
Spotted the first machine in our local Tesco today. Looks pretty similar to some of the machines I've seen in Germany, although the machines here obviously lack the extra opening on the bottom to take back entire crates or multipacks. Sielaff, the manufacturer, is quite experienced in this field, so the hardware at least should be pretty good.
Also worth noting that the max. 2€ sign that was shown on a couple of pages earlier in this thread is nowhere to be seen. That might have been only for testing purposes.
The current recycling rates are estimated to be about 60-65% for plastic bottles. The statutory target is 90% by 2030.
So because 35-40% can't play by the rules we all have to suffer? It's unfair but at least if it continues the polluter pays rule will apply
PET (the type of plastic in a drink bottle) does tend to get recycled, because it has a value. That is one of the major things which is funding this scheme. It does currently go overseas to be turned into rPET, however there are already people looking at investing at local PET recycling solutions because the volumes of bottles which will be recovered will rise significantly and make a project, particularly one serving north and south, viable. Huge capital costs involved but doable if the volumes are there.
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Everything will go up. The price of a 12 pack of 4.2% beer in 500ml cans for example will go up by €3 to roughly €22.92 thanks to the other great government invention of MUP. Interesingly if you use 440ml cans you can sell a 14 pack, have slightly more alcohol for €22.54
In Germany they add a fixed amount on to multipacks to combat this... But that wouldn't work here just because it works in Germany
It was pointed out earlier that milk bottles could give rise to unpleasant odours if put in the machine without being rinsed.
I suppose food cans would be pretty messy too.
I live in a house and everyone on my street puts their plastic in the green bin.....anecdotal evidence is worthless.
I would like to see the data that says this is a worthwhile venture. We already collect and burn a lot of plastic. We all need to stop calling it plastic 'recycling' by the way, most of the collected plastic (69%) is incinerated not recycled. The remaining plastic is shipped overseas for 'recycling', does it actually get recycled or sold on to the lowest bidder who then dumps it?
We would be better off focusing on reducing and reusing when it comes to plastic, recycling is kind of bullsh1t in this country.
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