I can't find the ID2 thread but maybe a Mod can move this from here to the correct thread?
Car is looking great. I'm hoping this can get here around the 25K mark like the suggested price.
Not really a random EV thought, but do the main car dealers open up over Christmas, like for example will they open on 27th, 28th 29th and 30th December?
I don’t know if this is a really quiet period or busy period.
Jan I guess is the real busy period.
This was recently in the news with Brexit https://trade.ec.europa.eu/access-to-markets/en/content/rules-origin-0#:~:text=The%20EU%20has%20special%20agreements,product%20receives%20preferential%20tariff%20treatment.
It's gets messy with work arounds like shipping cells, and "making batteries" in EU or USA but basically just assembly, and using all Chinese made parts for a Chinese car but assembled in Europe. Whatever works out most profitable for manufacturer will be done, along with lobbying behind the scenes. Some countries have things like 400% tariffs on certain products.
Fords were assembled in Cork 100 years ago to avoid import tariffs but none of the parts for the car were made in Europe.
Trade deals and tariffs are an EU competency, subsidies can't prefer one EU state over another. This measure falls nicely into a place where a member state can have some control. It would be like Ireland subsidising EU produced peat briquettes.
The Germans using China, that not go down well on that cess pool Facebook page EV Owners.
America done similar. Tesla pricing effected for new year as their batteries produced outside America.
member states can still control elements of their own taxation policies whilst remaining in line with EU directives.
I'm all for this, and it should be done at an EU level.
I thought trade deals and tariffs on non EU products was an EU competence. This could cause chaos if every MS went off half cocked with random measures against countries that had trade deals at EU level.
Attacking all non EU including British. Good for the French car industry but not the French car owner. It'll be interesting to see the Chinese retaliation.
France attacking the German automakers who are shifting production to China to reduce costs. The new Mini Cooper will be affected.
France have announced that they're ending grants for non EU EVs, alongside increased grants for EU built cars.
All Chinese cars, some Tesla's and Dacias are affected.
I wonder will other EU countries follow suit.
Personal import I'd guess.
For sure a UK import, there is ways to not get hit with double VAT.
Likely a private import and then why would you spend money to replace badges and not have it match it's documentation
Could do with a nice wash there too:)
I am confused by this car, less than a year old but the Vauxhall badge would suggest it's a UK import. I assume ecorsa has Opel badge. Maybe this was an early demo model brought in from UK? Even then you would think they could have stuck an open badge on.it?
I also think when you turn on the rear window heater. Must check next frosty morning.
Let me know when that comes to Ireland.
Don’t most cars just heat the mirrors when you turn on the defog mode or the max clear mode etc
I noticed this morning i done that (Model 3) and within 500m of the house, the windows and mirrors were cleared.
Might have to wait until I get my Toyota to have the range to get to that station.
For people who have anxiety over "there is no available charger when I need one", here is a Tesla installation I stopped by today.
In fairness, offscreen on the right there are 120 pumps, so getting petrol isn't much a problem either.
not one of the of the 6 younger cars since the 2008 ssanyong sports, its the only thing I miss.
Heated wing mirrors, surely all cars have them nowadays 😱
My 2005 bog standard full of button covers Golf even had them.
Some cars will actively warn you if you are home and car is not plugged it. Many cars will automatically adjust the charging times differently for home and away to try prevent you only charging at night when say away from home. It is a risk but you get in the habit of plugging in. Not ideal for the type of person that always has a flat phone battery.
The only time I had anything remotely along those lines it was my own fault. I simply didn't plug in properly and didn't notice for a bit. But I have an app where I can check on my car and I noticed a couple of hours later the app didn't say my Mustang was charging so I just went out to the garage and noticed I had not plugged in properly so even that was a non issue.
If you travel less than 300km.per day then an EV may save you a lot. Beware buying a 40,000 euro EV and a not really a cost saving exercise.
I did the sums 6 years ago and switched to EV saving myself around 4000 euro a year but you also need to factor in depreciation which may also be 4000 a year or more.
In your case it may make financial sense to move to EV. All modern big battery ones will go at least 300km without needing to stop and charge. You can have heat on and drive at the speed limit.
If you really like engine noise etc I have a weekend classic with 56 euro tax, 200 insurance and literally no depreciation.
Main downsides, on very long trips you need to public charge to get home. Public chargers can be busy, blocked or broken and have 1+ hour queues of people. Charging can be slow taking 1+ hours to fill up. So educate yourself and plan longer trips and allow extra time.
Depreciation is a big cost, some cats may have less deprecation but the general tile is 20% in first year then 10% all following years. If you are high mileage you may run out of warranty soon in terms of mileage caps on warranty. This will also impact resale value. If you could get a good value car deprecation may be lowered.
I've tripped the fuse a couple of times, but you rarely are on zero. There's multiple fast chargers around me (i'd say at least 3 different sites within 20-30km) if that happens.
Note: the tripping the fuse was user error on my behalf and nothing to do with the cars, I have 3 EVs and if I plug them all in on the wrong side of the house they go over the amperage
Not yet. Not in 11 years.
As Redfox posted above - just charge early on in the evening/night until your comfortable that charging isn't a problem.
And you will quickly realise how you wont miss regular trips to the service station for fuel.
If your charging at home, once you get used to it and trust it, that fear will diminish.
While electrical faults can happen which could interrupt your charge, they are normally uncommon.
Now if your house has ropey electrical then factor in a car that will do the journey twice so you have cover.
