Do you know how many people don't recycle and just throw recyclable stuff in the normal bin. It's very high. I live in an apartment complex with shared bin facilities and the amount of plastic bottles and cans you see thrown in the general waste is shocking.
It is extremely unlikely it will be absorbed, except maybe on some already premium price products
Used one of the german machines today; a larger high speed one. You'd dump an entire slab in to one in a few seconds.
Does anyone know yet if the price of soft drink etc will actually go up by the amount of the deposit or will it just be absorbed?
Seems a bit of a faff having to return cans to a shop when I have a green bin at home.
Steel cans are very easily removed from waste streams and even the crap left after incineration.
At a guess they want to increase the recycling rates of aluminium cans and plastic bottles. Presumably the recycling rates of milk containers and pet food is high enough already.
Disclaimer: I don't know what the recycling rates are on those products, just making an assumption here
Really seems like a half arsed solution, why only drink containers, why not 2/3L milk containers, cans of pet foods etc?
No, it's just that the shop I buy milk in sells 1 litre in Tetra and only 2 & 3 litre in plastic.
I prefer opening just 1 litre at a time.
Is the tetra a taste thing?
As I said the milk I got in the UK was fine but it was as you suggest in small bottles, a pint I think.
I use Tetra at home rather than plastic.
I'd agree about returning beer bottles.
If it was possible I would opt for it.
They do it in Germany and it seems to work ok.
Yeah, UV does horrible things to milk - that's why Tetra took hold. The old tetrahedral packages they came to market with were not in any way easier to use than bottles, but for most people the taste and shelf life was hugely improved
At least with smaller glass bottles delivered frequently it isn't sitting around as long as it does in the 2L/3L plastic jugs
I'd also be very happy with some of the larger breweries doing take back. Much od my home beer consumption is in bottle from two breweries and one of them is only about 6km from my door - if I could return those bottles rather than bring them for recycling it would massively reduce the impact of them.
I recall another post you put up about milk in clear bottles.
I understand that you have a problem with the taste.
I was in the UK a couple of weeks ago and the family I stayed with subscribe to a bottled milk delivery.
Apparently they are making a bit of a comeback there.
The milkman delivers the bottles to the doorstep each morning and takes away the empties.
Not taking away from your experience and I acknowledge that taste is personal.
I just found the milk delicious on cereal, in tea and in a glass on its own.
Tetrapaks of water are starting to appear as replacements for plastic bottles; which seems like a backwards step really.
If opaque returnable glass was a thing (I still have a milkman, so returns would be facile) that would be the ideal packaging for milk
I know, originally the only reason it was allowed in the Green bin is that Tetra Pak would take them back to a centralised plant in Europe, for 'recycling'. This was 15 years ago, so not sure if anything has changed.
TetraPak is extremely difficult to break down.The local council will be stuck with disposal forever-20 years?
(Glass) bottles are already popular for beer drinkers, in fact I've noticed the switch to cans by some microbreweries has increased the prices per litre for the customer so a reversal of this trend is no harm
Assuming the rare case of milk stouts should be exempt as are all dairy containers
Yes a price increase is probably inevitable for all of us because of this, assuming the bin company isn't profiting more from not lifting the bin and giving me €6 for the pleasure
If the cans dont have the barcode and logo it will be illegal to sell them after the end of may. Its illegal for a producer to put a product on the market after March 16. The gap in between is intended to clear the stock.
Yes the retailer has to log the information.
The deposit goes back to return and then is paid back to whoever pays the deposit back
The retailer gets a handling fee for every bottle they collect. That is paid by return. Return gets its money from a fee paid by producers for every bottle they pay on the market. They will also make money from sale of the metal and plastic back to the producers, who all want it and unclaimed deposits. Return is established on a not for profit basis.
Your recycling rate wont change much - maybe you would be incentivised to recycle bottles or cans you drink on the go or maybe you already recycle them. What will change is that your bottles are less likely to be contaminated and they will be more likely to be able to be used for food grade plastic again and the cans will be of a better quality for recycling.
If the cans don't have the barcode is the charge still applied?
Does the retailer have to record the amount of money collected on the "Deposit" and forward that to the revenue service?
Where does that money go?
Where does the money come from for the payments from the recycling machines, what is the added margin? (Obvs the company's want a profit)
Every beer can I use, I put in my recycling bin.. How is this going to improve my recycling given that now I need to make a journey to do what I currently do at the side of my house?
or 4. refund to contactless payment card / apple pay / Google pay linked account. This would be the most convenient - I rarely use cash. I'd prefer to get refunded the same way I originally paid.
I have a rubber bucket at the side of the house for glass bottles and cans. There’s a hole in the bottom of the bucket to allow the rain to drain through and when full I drive to the bottle bank. Any plastic goes into the blue bin which I pay a fixed monthly fee for. I’m going to need new durable plastic (yey!) crates with lids to keep plastic bottles dry
Is there a maximum amount that can be returned in one transaction? I’ll be making 2 different car journeys to 2 separate locations (bottle bank for glass and shop for cans) and if there’s a maximum amount that can be dropped off then it would be more unnecessary car journeys.
Can you definitely get cash back rather than shop vouchers? I don’t want to be forced to purchase goods in the more expensive SuperValu under an illusion that I’m getting my own money back.
Will my monthly standing charge for my blue bin reduce as they’re burning less fuel due to less weight being transported? cough:sarcasm:cough
May be time to invest in a proper bin lock for my green bin, as I keep it out the front.
Don't fancy the idea of anyone tipping it over and going through it to look for plastic bottles and cans!
Recyclable TetraPak cartons of beer, mmmm😛
Funny feeling bottles of beer will become popular..
Yeah, wait until your provider notices he’s losing money and see what happens.
But to claim the deposit back cans need to be in an undamaged state with the barcodes intact, which a large proportion of beach litter is not.
That's quite frankly a bonkers reason, so the county councils have washed their hands and handed the problem to poor people and free labour.
Also I can't see many poor people walking the hills or swimming out to rescue a 25 cent bottle.
It may happen in urban areas, but I think it just creates a whole industry that will not be good for the environment.
A bin is going to get kicked over, not methodically gone through.
Some of the people that would throw away now won't to get the deposit
Others will collect those that are thrown away to reclaim the deposit. Not a fan of this as a core part of it, but it happens
The vouchers are convertible to cash
is of minor inconvenience and will rid the streets, parks, hills, and beaches of millions of empty bottles.
How?
If I go to the beach, I follow the leave nothing but your footprints mantra. I bring my waste home or in the rare case itemised disposal is provided I use them.
If I was the sort of person to throw my rubbish on a beach or in a park or on a hill I'm still going to do that, why wouldn't I? Because I can get a 15 cent tesco voucher?
Definitely, there's 25% of 6 bottles of wine at the moment, so will head up again soon.
Will be worth keeping an eye on prices next year!
We do, and most of my aluminium recycling is beer cans so if I end up putting the blue (recycling) bin out less often as a result of this I will save there as well. My provider knocks €6 off my bill every time a bin doesn't go out so I could save a small amount from this as long as my bin provider doesn't jack the prices up
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