Yes it's another excuse to travel up north or even buy from amazon etc. The one upside to this for you is you no longer have to crush or clean the beer cans after use
Ugly looking yokes alright.Some look like they will need to emptied every 2 day max.All I've seen are within the stores boundaries so maybe they get away with not applying for pp.They are within the planning dimensions
Ireland started it!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Container-deposit_legislation
As usual a noisy tiny minority looking for every conceivable angle to complain and moan. In reality it works exceptionally well, is of minor inconvenience and will rid the streets, parks, hills, and beaches of millions of empty bottles.
Is this coming in up the North? Or will this be another excuse to travel up and stock up on drink?
As mentioned previously, we've tried our best to limit our single use plastic consumpion, virtually no plastic bottles go into the green bin, and the only aluminium cans would be my beer cans, in a family of four. Tetra Pak is our biggest 'waste' in our house, that'll probably be next.
It's almost like we had a whole network setup to do that which we paid for already.
There was a machine in the underground carpark in Citywest shopping centre recently that donated 10c for every can or bottle to a local youth centre. We used it all the time but it was removed a few weeks ago.
I wonder which will be the first charity to jump on this - "donate your bottles to us so we can claim your deposits!"
Or an entreprenurial type. I'll collect your cans and bottles on Sunday morning and pay you back minus 5c/item
An easier solution again would be to allow you to tap or insert your credit/debit card and get the refund refunded to that card
There is no data collection for can or bottle recycling in Ireland
Really?
So we are introducing a brand new system for a problem we don't know the scope of, if it exists or what is causing it?
Throwing darts blind folded method of problem solving seldom works.
This is not just about more recycling it is about more effective recycling
It sounds like the opposite TBH, we are shoving in another expensive inconvenient layer of recycling into a system that all ready exists and most importantly works. May not work perfectly but I very much doubt that is down to the home user. I imagine rates for recycling at home are the highest they can be.
I assume the collection will be contracted out to the existing waste management companies, which in reality means they will get paid on the double.
Just to be clear, the Alupro figure is based on an approximation based on UK figures. It is almost certainly high. There is no data collection for can or bottle recycling in Ireland. EPA measure by material. Even taking that, of the figures in the survey you quote, firstly that survey relates to PET recycling which is lower than aluminium in virtually every country in the world. Industry estimates PET recycle rates in Ireland of 60-65. Secondly of the figures you show only the Netherlands has a significantly lower figure for a country with DRS. The DRS is Netherlands was strange, it started on a voluntary basis, then only moved to money with 2 litre bottles, then later in mid 2021 to small bottles, so the figures you source are for a scheme less than a year old. Netherlands only added cans this year. In short, the Dutch scheme was a lesson in how not to do things.
There is a reason every European country is implementing DRS, it is proven to work. It may be inconvenient, but it works at not only increasing recycling rates but also in creating a separate waste stream which improves the reuseability of the materials. This is not just about more recycling it is about more effective recycling.
I wonder will this scheme be reflected in official inflation figures? It could be argued that it shouldn't be because the money can be recovered. But in reality some proportion of it won't be. And it seems to work somewhat like Tesco clubcard vouchers, which I assume isn't used to reduce inflation figures - where you spend today and get vouchers later.
It’s an absolute waste of money to create jobs for who knows who.
I have a glass bin, an organic bin, a recycle bin and a waste bin. Have recycled forever at this stage.
they can **** off with this shite. Green Party nonsense
Are the vouchers for the store also paper?
3 options are available
1 - CASH - but for security reasons its a voucher you then have to redeem at that store.
2 - Voucher for the store.
3 - Charity
Exactly. People citing it has being going on in other countries for 30 years ignores our evolution of waste collection.
I'm not so sure in this instance we need the carrot and stick approach, I think it's going to drive the annual cost of shopping up and inconvenience people to the point it won't make the tangible difference they hope.
I don't think I have ever gone to a bottle bank that hasn't been wedged, people will recycle they don't need the threat of 25 cent added to a jar of jam to do so.
The proof is there.
I guess we will.
I just got a notification of a 9.5% increase in my monthly bin collection charges from January 2024.
It doesn't even matter if they do their big shop in the same place. The market share stats suggest that most people spread their shopping around. I certainly do. So they can choose which shop to recycle at, picking the most convenient place and time for them.
By cash I mean your personal funds on deposit.
I have already stated it should be an app that can be linked bank to your account.
But if I do my shopping in X supermarket or shop that doesn't have one of these machines, the voucher is a major inconvenience.
If it is truly a deposit paid for in money, it shouldn't be transferred into vouchers when you want that deposit back. It's arbitrary and gives an another unfair advantage to the larger retailer.
As for people in a queue to get money back, that would be the thin end of the wedge, I'd be more concerned about a lad with 6 bags of cans having to manually hand back each one because that shop doesn't have a machine and that is the shop he actually shops in.
The reality is to make these things an actual success, they have to be simple, convenient and incentivised for everyone.
I don't pay for my shopping in cash, but that's not really the point.
Most people do their big shopping in the same supermarkets regularly, I really dont see an issue with having more than one option.
If someone really really wants to queue up to get a couple of euro back in cash, that's their choice.
I'd prefer something more efficient, that takes up less of my time, and that doesn't cause additional paper waste, which kind of defeats the purpose.
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every body thinks im batshit crazy when i mention my wee voice but there you go its probably right...guess who will be paying for all those trucks?
The problem with that is the vouchers are locked into Tesco.
That's to benefit them, not me.
The "deposit" is paid in cash, it should be returned in cash.
Yes it would have been great before waste collection was privatised. Other countries didn't have an existing network of trucks that collected weekly plastic bottles and cans from each home through recycling bins which are now going to be for the most part redundant before they brought their systems in. Extra bins could have been added purely for cans and another for bottles if segregation was an issue.
Back of an envelope calculation they will need 250 trucks costing €100k each (€25million), every large supermarket will need a machine costing circa €200k of which there are about 850 large supermarkets in the country (€170million), at the end of this there's no guarantee whatsoever that the system will lead to a better rate of recycling than the current one.
it works fine in other places and im reasonably sure itll work fine here too but in the cynical part of my head theres a wee voice going "you just know there will be an 'administration tax/charge/a just because we can charge/because we are worth it' added into this"
Ideally, both options should be available.
I'd prefer to scan an app, and get an e-voucher or credit off my next shop, rather than queuing up in a shop for cash.
I click and collect groceries, very rarely go into supermarkets unless I forget something, so I won't be queuing for few quid.
I would also like the option to donate, e.g. if I recycle my bottles at my local Tesco, the funds can go to the Tesco Community Fund, which is also local.
Personally I don't think it should be vouchers at all.
Cash in Cash out.
Maybe an app you can link with your account.
The reality is most people won't be bringing back one or 2 items, it will be buckets and bags.
The numbers can get quite high, quite fast far more incentive if it's money back.
I also think they should have thought of a financial reward, e.g. 15c deposit 20c back at least for the first couple of years, the way it is will not be cost neutral for the consumer.
Issuing refunds as paper coupons is ridiculous in this day and age. (think of the paper waste!)
Should be able to scan an app or club card and get refunds directly in e-vouchers which can be saved, or applied to next online shop or scanned in store at the till.
I'd do it, if it saved me the bother and the money was going to a good cause.... even better if they collected.
It could be like a "bag packing" day for anyone fund raising. Great for schools or sports clubs!
Nope, they are here to stay. Permanent in this context means a building, not a machine that is readily moved / replaced.
Another thing that isn't considered. If your waste collector isn't getting the goods to recycle are they losing money and in turn will you have to pay more to your waste collector?
If they are not permanent structures are you suggesting this won't be a permanent scheme?
Yes they are exempt from planning is the answer here
They are not permanent structures, and not "constructed". Why would they need planning?
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