Are these machines constructed outside supermarkets exempt from planning? I've noticed 2 near me and neither have any planning notice submitted for them.
It's not that it won't work here so much as it is unnecessary here considering how much plastic collection already takes place. It is an answer for a problem that does not exist, lumping pointless hassle and cost on consumers.
Return the two bottles you used the previous week and it cancels out. It's not that confusing, is it?
You can get crates of mini bottles of water of about 250ml approx and they are good for small hands.
You can get lots of things, it doesn't make the parents less stupid.
People who give their kids a plastic bottle every day is the type of person we have to tax.
Unfortunately everyone else has to be taxed too because of clinical morons.
Can't believe the amount rubbish problems people are coming with about this whilst it's been implemented and working in other countries in Europe for over 30 years without problems.
Why would it not work here?
Test a refillable water is only part of a solution. Some children will not drink water and will only drink flavoured stuff or cordials. Taking 3 children into the equation like mentioned above, that would be at about 2 bottles a week approx of cordials. Is it 25c tax or deposit like people call it for a bottle? That's at least 50 cent a week for a family and 2 euro a month.
If your 3 kids are bringing 15 plastic bottles of water to school with them weekly the parents should be made pay a stupidity tax.
Use a refillable water bottle like everyone did in the past. That'll save a significant sum over time
It also doesn’t take into account the cost to families. If you’re already pinned to your collar how do you afford the initial outlay?
Say a family with 3 school going kids. Each brings a bottle of water, some fruit and a sambo to school, that’s almost an extra €4 onto the already struggling bill, without any other bottles that the house buys.
I can definitely understand your perspective on that, and I think it will have to come down to retailers offering to take back empty bottles when customers place an online order. Do you have any friends, family members or colleagues in the vicinity who might be willing to lend a hand in the meantime, to minimize the impact?
I know when I was younger I used to go on the bus more often and go into town but now not so much. My main activity outside of the home is going to work. I do the majority of my shopping online and I do the online groceries too. So I very rarely have jobs to be doing or a list made to make it worth my while to go into the nearest town. My Google maps showed me that I go to the nearest town once every 2 to 3 months.
If my nearest village doesn't have a recycling machine, it will mean I will have to save over bottles for months until I get into town. I get sick and tired easily with an auto immune condition and when I get a day off, I really do need to rest and not keep on going.
A scheme like this will likely see me losing money with the increased prices at checkout called a 'deposit' and I likely may not be able to go back to the shop for weeks and weeks. This will have me carrying trash around with me to the bus stop and beyond.
Damaged means distorted barcode,can or bottle crushed,flattened.Lidl have paying for recycling for over a year in certain branches-will miss it next Febuary.10c for 100ml,330ml,500ml cans or bottles(500ml cans get rejected),also,1 and 2 litre bottles.Most beer,cider,mixer,cans get rejected.A good training for the public.Lidl takes the lid.Local council recycling say remove the lid.
Stuff like this just turns people against green policy. Every green initiative involves the public being inconvenienced or charged. Or a combination of both.
That's the way it was in Germany. The machine printed out a coupon that you could then either use on your next shop, or exchange for cash in-store. If you had enough of the stuff, you could get a nice little stack of money, I think my record stood at 35€, which was even more in the early 2010s than it is today. More typically, it was 5-10€ for me, although my parents regularly cracked the 40€ mark, thanks to my dad's penchant for beer and the relatively high deposit on glass beer bottles and crates.
Mind you, I had to drag all of my bottles back to the store on foot since I didn't have a car (still don't), though at least I had the luxury of having a REWE, Lidl & Aldi all within a kilometer of my place.
Nearly always coupons. Which you can change for cash in the shops.
Having cash in the machines would make them a theft target.
Some systems allow registering for EFT payment.
Do other countries use our proposed coupon system or just give out cash?
We did offer our views when this came up before - completely ignored obviously.
I'm already paying €90+ a quarter for bin & recycling collections. We wash the bottles / tins and put these in the recycling collection and pay for it. Now these smart asses want us to continue to pay the above, pay a new tax on purchase and then collect these bottles/ cans etc and drive them 20 miles to some place they can be put in a machine. Feck off.
Yes, separate bins and collections for general recyclables, paper & cardboard, glass (that couldn't be recycled via supermarkets, vegetable jars, etc.), general rubbish, and biological rubbish/compost. The only difference compared to Ireland is that there was one company for everything. The local municipality would contract bin collection out to a company which would then do it for every private & commercial premises in that particular area. That could be either a private company, such as in the place where I lived, or it could be a public utility company, such as in nearby Frankfurt.
EDIT: One thing that developed in Germany, partially because of this, was that larger supermarkets in particular started opening dedicated "Getränkemärkte", separate stores on the same premises as the main store that were entirely dedicated to selling and taking back drinks of all types. I'm not sure, when, or indeed if, this is going to happen here in Ireland, especially since the "Pfand" system in Germany is a lot more extensive, but over time, we might see that happen. All German supermarkets in my area still stocked drinks in their regular stores as well, the "Getränkemarkt" usually served those who were looking for large packs of drinks, like crates of beer bottles, lemonade, or the infamous 6 x 2l water bottle packs.
While there might be good intentions behind this scheme the cynic in me just sees yet another hidden tax that we do so much of in this country
Did you have a waste collection service that included recycling in Germany?
Yes. When everything - including all those things - went into the bin that you left outside your house that was paid for out of general taxation. There was still excessive illegal dumping - more than there is now.
What’s your point?
Public consultation is a complete waste of time engaging with. Government goes out to the public during a limited and usually poorly advertised window seeking opinions that it goes on to completely disregard anyway.
Public consultation is policy-washing.
I heard someone on The Hard Shoulder on Newstalk earlier and he said that some retailers are looking at take back for delivery customers.
That seems to be the way to go but loading dirty returns into a van that is delivering food products may present challenges.
I'll post a link later if I can find the segment.
That situation would have been exceedingly unlikely in Germany, simply because settlement patterns in Germany are so different from the ones here in Ireland. You don't have anywhere close to the amount of one-off-housing you have here in Ireland. Most people will have their houses in villages, towns or cities. The ones that do live completely out in the countryside will usually be farmers and will likely have more than one car, out of sheer necessity.
I think in the long run, retailers will have to find a way to integrate this into their order & delivery processes. The simplest solution would be to add a check mark "Collect empty bottles" or something along those lines to the online shopping portals of SuperValu or Tesco. With third party shopping services such as BuyMie, this could get a bit more complicated, as deliveries there are handled by people with their private cars, but even there, I don't see it as a major stumbling stone.
The point is that not everyone does recycle. This is hoped to get recycling rates up.
We recycled 79% of aluminium cans in 2019 (source). That's better than some countries who have had a deposit return scheme for 10 or 15 years (source).
With recycling there is diminishing returns, you can never get to 100%. This scheme might push it to 90% in a few years if we're lucky. This is a number we could have reached organically in a few years. It will create it's own polution and energy use, it will cost tens or hundreds of millions in infrastructure costs (which will be passed to the consumer), it will see costs to the consumer via increased bin charges, fuel used, etc. It's going to create litter because homeless people will tip over bins looking for cans/bottles.
It's a bad scheme. People are already struggling with increased cost of living. MUP a year ago doubled the price of a tray of beer. The people behind this need to be run out of the country.
Oh right. Back in the olden days when there were zero "recycling centres" (which imo should also be fully funded through taxes, no charge) and zero bottle/drinks cans banks and no one took back your old electrical appliances.
I'd say they'd have been wasting their time complaining about it during that period also, doubtless they did get complaints along the lines of those mentioned here.
In fairness that particular poster (and obviously we have to take them at their word) lives in a rural area such that he/she does not have a convenient/local shop, and also doesn't have a car. Added to the fact that they are already a fervent recycler, then they are getting hit badly by this scheme.
However, only incredibly small subset of people in this country would be affected this way, and their travails doesn't mean an actual flaw in the system.
Any idea how this type of exceptional situation was handled in Germany?
Too much money being collected, thats a first. Maybe the same thing will happen with this scheme.
The upside to this will hopefully be a reduction in consumption and health problems associated with drinking too many soft drinks, beer, etc. Course the unintended consequence might be larger that 3L bottles being sold which could actually increase consumption.
Back in the day I always bought a pack of 10 cigs when heading out for a few drinks. When the 10 pack was banned I had to buy a 20 pack. For 10 marks how many cigs did I return home with after my night out.
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