I find even that one point difficult to follow. Systems like this have been operating for decades in other countries. I myself used it in Germany from the late 1990s until I emigrated to Ireland in 2012. It might require a bit of short-term adjustment on the parts of some people, but that's the case every time something new is brought in and if anything, it looks like the Irish system will be easier to use than the German one, where every chain (REWE, EDEKA, Lidl, Aldi) operated its own system that only accepted their own bottles, and yes, some went so far as to get their own bottles from the distributor so they could lock their customers in.
But even with that, it wasn't really an issue. I used to do my big weekend shop on Saturday morning, as did my parents, and would usually take my used bottles back to the shop, drop them off first thing to get the voucher, and then would just do my regular shop, using the voucher right then and there. My parents did the same thing, as did loads of other people. And compared to Germany, you won't have to drag crates of empty glass bottles back, which can get really heavy after a time. Just get a fold-out crate or two, drop your empty bottles in there during the week and by the time you get to your weekly shop, you'll have them all ready to return without hassle. And you'll have something to drop your groceries in.
It works off the barcode. It will cost you more in printing and effort to circumvent the scheme. Bit like fake € coins costing more than €2.
What's to stop me taking a photo of the new logo, then printing it out onto stickers that I apply to cans and bottles that I will buy up North?? Then claim 15c back on each?
Just give the bottle to some poor chap who you consider less fortunate than yourself and the warm fuzzy feeling generated in your innards will be priceless😂 Spoiler alert that fuzzy feeling may not last forever
October 2020. It was advertised at the time
Seeing as you seem to have only heard of the scheme right now, weeks before it starts and after huge amounts of news and ads, I don't think you keep up to date very much
When was the consultation period and how were people notified of the consultation? I don't remember any campaign inviting the public for consultations. I usually pay attention to the news and what's going on but this one, went right by me.
It is part of the answer and works very effectively in the large number of places that already do it
As in clean up beaches and parks from littering?
Littering is dispicable but this isn't the answer.
The days are coming back in February and the rest is irrelevant.
There was a consultation period on this years ago. That was the time to complain
The day our grandparents paid deposits on bottles are long over and linely before the majority of people pay and use a waste collection service that includes recycling.
I said on another thread, you'll get so annoyed with the whole system you will just stop using plastic bottles. That's the only benefit I see.
You keep saying some variety of 'because you recycle, then what is the point of creating this burden?'
The point is that not everyone does recycle. This is hoped to get recycling rates up.
Maybe in future there won't be 50 empty beer cans outside the playground in my local park every Saturday morning, the bin outside my local Spar won't be overflowing with Cola bottles, no almost-but-not-quite-empty cans will be left to leak onto bus/train seats, good citizens down on their luck will pick stray bottles and cans up off our urban streets like we see in cities abroad etc etc.
I do sympathise that a good recycler like yourself gets punished here, but there is a wider picture.
I imagine the goal was to incentivise people to collect rubbish and return for money.
Which fails totally because of the requirement that goods are intact and barcodes are machine readable. Such a disappointment compared to what could be possible.
When the recycling machines are emptied where does the recyclables go to?
Will it be taken to the same place your recycling bin goes to?
If that's the case what is the point of this scheme? If the recycling end stuff all end up in the same place It just creates a burden for many people who already recycle using their bins?
You're right, where does it stop? They could start chatting hundreds in appliances returnable when you recycle them.
I rarely get angry about things but this is unreal and it seems to be poorly thought out. I have a recycling option outside my door in my yard and now I will be charged extra on my shopping if I buy bottles or cans and it creates a burden to return to the shop with my recycling trash.
It's not as simple as getting into a car or storing bags if recycling in a boot if you don't own a car or don't drive. It penalises people who can't make it back to a recycling center who already recycling from the comfort of homes.
This is going to be a pain in the h01€ and it's going to cost consumers money. If you're out and about, buy a bottle of water for example in a newsagents, finish it, instead of binning it, I've to hold onto it to get my money back, when I go to a shop that has a recycling machine during business hours to get the extra tax back. What about people that get home deliveries, have impairments, don't drive, etc?
Also, I crush my bottles and cans to save on space. They can't be used in these recycling machines. The bottles and cans have to be undamaged. Why, when the machine is going to crush them?
Or here's another example, if you buy people alcohol as a gift, you're paying extra at the till, and they get will get the money back if they return the empty cans. Or if you go to a house party, are you supposed to carry your empties home at the end of the night?
What about the 24 pack slabs of 330ml minerals, I see some supermarkets doing specials, selling them for €10 at the moment, are they now going to be €13.60? That's more than a 33% increase in price. More cost of living pressures. People have green bins at home that currently take cans and bottles, but no, you need to drive to a recycling machine, with your segregated bottles and cans. Ya, that's real good for the environment with the extra carbon emissions. From the can and bottle labels, people driving to the recycling machines, the electricity used by the machines, the extra bin collections.
It's not "Convenient for Everyone".
It works in every other country / US state that has one just fine.
This is not a new or rare idea. It will be required in the entire EU in time
It's actually an ancient idea - there were deposits on bottles when your grandparents or possibly parents were kids.
I can see this failing miserably. Was this another green party initiative ??
The WEEE levy can only be used to process WEEE and as such was significantly cut a few years in as there was too much money being collected. Also, it's not refunded - I'm not sure you quite understand that scheme.
This scheme will not make money for the state. That is not the intent
Absolutely agree but as always the silent compliant majority will be penalised for the sins of the few.
I wonder if this is the end of it or if successdul will they look at massively increasing the WEEE levy on electrical goods. Serious money to be made there. If you can levy 25cent on a €1 bottle of water, imagine what you could levy on a €1k TV. I mean whats the problem, sure it will be refunded once you bring it back for recycling every couple of years when latest gadgetry becomes too difficult to resist.
The same people who come up with every other scheme that costs us more money, the Government.
Here's one of the better synopses I've seen of it:
Under the Scheme, producers of in-scope products will be required to pay Re-turn a ‘producer fee’ which is intended to cover:
Retailers are required to pay a ‘deposit fee’ to producers when they purchase in-scope products.
When a consumer purchases an in-scope product, they will be charged the ‘deposit fee’ in addition to the price of the product. Consumers may return empty, undamaged in-scope products to a retailer in order to receive a full refund of the consumer’s deposit fee."
So basically us the customers will end up paying more for all of that.
When the recycling machines are emptied where does the recycling stuff goes to? Does it go to the very same place where your recycling bins go to?
Who is responsible for this mess of a scheme?
It would be better if rubbish collection was built into taxes so people wouldn't have any reason to drive out with bin bags and dump them on the side of the road somewhere.
This is a great example of something that appears perfectly logical, but doesn't actually work in practice. I'm not sure if you're old enough to remember when refuse collection was handled by local authorities and indeed paid for by general taxation - and the levels of illegal dumping around the country were orders of magnitude worse than they are now.
Anything over 3 litres is, everything below is charged the fee.
Erm no I don't think so. I was just sayin personally that's all I'd have to go to the bother of returning.
Why on earth would they introduce a new system where you are charged at the till for recycling so that it encourages you to take your trash back and travel to a recycling machine, when for the majority of people we had a perfectly fine functioning system with the recycling bins located on your property to be picked up once every 2 weeks or so.
I mean like there is recycling outside my door in my yard and all this does is penalise people like me at who do recycle already at the till. Also many people have time pressures with work and commuting and now they have to think about another chore of gathering trash before they leave the house to go to a shop.
Will bottles of water be exempt?
I was going to rant about this thinking all my plastics have to be recycled this way but I've since learned it won't affect me as I never buy canned or bottled drinks, other than milk which is exempt. The last time I recall I did was during the heatwave in June when I bought a few bottles of water only cuz I'd run out of what I'd taken with me from home. Phew.
I can't believe there is not a more simple way to achieve the aim. What is the cost to the environment of making and maintaining these machines? They take up an awful lot of space too which I'm sure the supermarkets would rather use for something else.
There seems to be a phycological conditioning element to this scheme which I find a bit disturbing. Like the hassle you have to go through is intentional.
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