Israel/Palestine Thread

Don't just accuse someone of not understanding or knowing history. Explain why they're wrong.

Look at the population growth in the 30-s and 40's.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-and-non-jewish-population-of-israel-palestine-1517-present

between 47-48 they went from 32-81% of the population.

The PLO agreed to a two state solution. The PA was supposed to be a stepping stone to it. Hamas, whilst refusing to recognise Israel have said they'd be happy to have a Palestinian state on the borders agreed to in the Oslo accords.

Netanyhu is firmly against it and has refused to negotiate any further with either the Palestinian Authority or Hamas (Well, obviously not with Hamas) .

Israel was the victim of assassinations by jewish right wingers who were against the accords. That's why Rabin was assassinated.

BTW, the second intifada occurred after Israel had backed out of negotiations. So that was before the vast majority of suicide bombs.

Netanyahu was always against the 2 State solution and the religious crazies keeping him in power think their god is against it too. It is disingenuous to suggest that it was only the Palestinians who opposed it.

No it's not. That's very inaccurate. What should have been the Arab Palestinian country was invaded by Syria, Egypt and Jordan in 1948. Israel pushed them back and took a good chunk of it for themselves. The West Bank was retained then formally annexed by Jordan and Gaza was annexed by Egypt. There was no way Egypt and Jordan were going to give the Palestinian Arabs their own homeland either. They are a victim, a blood soaked pawn, of their Arab neighbours in their conflict with Israel.

You do realise the Irish free state was created in the 20's, long before the GFA, and it was created through violence?

And the Irish population, at the time of the plantations never agreed to it. And what the Irish agreed to in the GFA was to allow the population of the north to decide what country NI belongs in. That's self determination. That's not something that Palestinians have.

BTW, Israel itself was formed by violence. It was jewish settlers who fought the British. Was that wrong too? I'm a pacifist but I'm just wondering if you believe the Irish war of independance was wrong and if the foundation of the jewish state was wrong.

The Shinners gave up violence as well but like PLO they did so because it was politically expedient to do so, not because of a moral recalibration. They also hero worship child killers and terrorists. They are cut from the same cloth. I'm not sure if the PLO still run protection rackets and wash diesel though.

If anyone thinks Ireland it anti Israeli now just wait until our very own (former) child killers are in power.

All of this talk about the massive threat Hamas supposedly poses to Israel and yet scarcely a single Israeli citizen has died or been harmed since the October 7th atrocities. How come we're not hearing about dozens or hundreds of Israeli deaths every day, with this monstrous and existential threat to their very existence on their borders?