Well sure. Fair enough.
Ship sizes in Star Trek never really made sense anyway. Better to just not think too much about it.
The thing you have to remember with saucer shape is they have HUGE amounts of floor space. NX-01 was not a small ship. Ent-D had 825,000 metres square of floor space, insanely big.
here is the full ship deck by deck layout, its really detailed
https://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/enterprise-nx-01-deckplans.php
Think I remember the Excelsior had bunk rooms that resembled a warship
Yes they did indeed as we see when Tuvok is an Ensign on the Excelsior in the Voyager episode Flashback.
Out of all the stupid thing Discovery did, that turbolift thing was absolutely sh1te and completely unforgivable.
It still had to go past the people making the decision on editing and should certainly have been cut.
And then after the funhouse they go and do it a second time with the "great glass elevator" scene.
We've seen with Marvel movies and others that FX houses are routinely overworked & underpaid; can't imagine TV work is any more fun so my theory kinda works from that. These are functional sweatshops - sometimes not far off and operating out of Malaysia and the like - and I doubt the average drone at the render farm has time to Google anything.
Just a theory, obviusly.
Burnham not only made it to capitan but is now also the Federations version of the Seanad.
Having the leads not be high ranking was a problem though when the plot was all about that person saving the universe. Can't have both.
I skipped season 4 and have zoned out of the second half of 1 and 2 (3 was Covid I was bored) so I'm gonna try 5 only because it's the ending but I doubt I'll make it all the way.
I know I'm contributing to the problem but I'll Hate-Watch it.
Maybe HATE-Watch is bit harsh but "ReallyBoredAndFewUpWithTheLazerFocusOnTheDullestCharacterOnTheShow-Watch isn't as catchy.
I supported it as long as I could. I thought the first season was good up to The Mirror Universe. I DO hate that. I actually enjoyed the Klingons and yer man's acting as Klingon. Enjoyed the Enterprise crew on Season 2 (Let's not forget that Disco gave us SNW for which I AM grateful).
But I and so many others have stated here before, it's the hyper-focus on Burnham that is, for me, the real issue. She really is a Mary Sue. She is such the epitome of one that they should rename it (Ideally in a 3 min monologue while she walks in slow motion with sad eyes and smiling bravely against her loss while her crew smile and worship her as the camera swoops past them at awkward angles)
This is not a Race thing. Sisko was a fantastic character and DS9 is my favourite Trek.
This is not a gender thing. Heaven knows I have problems with neck-beards bemoaning the rise in "females" in Sci-Fi like some mom-basement dwelling Ferengi. They would hate Terminator or Alien/Aliens if made today.
No, it's down to the fact that her character can do no wrong. Every thing she has done has proven to be the correct course of action in the long run. No other characters have any agency or input unless it has at least some input from her. As a result, the remaining background artists (Previously known as crew members) have less and less to do and their writing becomes weaker and weaker:
Culver and Stamits started off as a realistic couple and it was interesting to see how two officers on the same ship handle their work and personal lives. Certainly a lot more interesting than Keiko and MYYYY-ELLLSSSSS. Then they basically descended into overbearing, intrusive, creepy obsessives simply because someone happened to be non-binary.
They basically got rid of Saru. How do you have one of the greatest prosthetic actors in the world on your show and then just get rid of them? Now, whenever he turns up it's to spout versions of "Well, I don't agree but you're the Captain"
Speaking of Captain, one of the only interesting things about Burnham was that she, briefly, initially, WASN'T a high-ranking officer. And was actually mistrusted. Let's get rid of that character trait.
So, I'll contribute to the problem by Hate-Watching. But, at least if I watch it I can update the threads and let people know if it does a 180 degrees (Not likely)
That might be an excuse if not for the internet, "Star Trek turbolift" is just one short Google search away. It was more forgivable pre internet like in STV the numbers on the turbolift shaft counting up as they went higher.
I have wondered was this a massive blunder put to the feet of bad communication between the writers & the FX house: you get this instruction of some kind of exciting interstitial of the TurboLife; nobody's a Trekkie, they have 2 days to come up with something; so they read something like "we see the lift swoop through the interior of the Enterprise", and went completely OTT given that was probably the overarching theme of the work in the first place (BIg! Exciting! Loud!)
Not trying to justify it of course, both scenes are clearly an insane destruction of anything even tangential to "canon", but that they whiffed it this spectacularly makes me wonder was it more mistake than intent.
At least that is in the 32nd century where TARDIS tech does exist in Star Trek.
A much greater crime was the turbolift fun house they put in the Enterprise is DIS S2
Jesus I absolutely hate this new Blade Runner aesthetic that DIC and PIC have adopted.
But these are the same people who gave us the Tardis turbo-lifts at the end of S3, so I shouldn't hold them up to that standard I guess.
JFC: right. Never forget:
I remembe seeing some deck plans of the NX, and there was a lot of shared dorms. Only some private quarters for key crewmembers.
Makes you wonder about the state of quarters of a Crossfield Class like Discovery. The quarters we had seen appeared to be spacious (as did a lot spaces on the ship), but the external design seemed to suggest that there was very little available room on the vessel. The Saucer Section had a large chunk missing on the inner track near the bridge, and the secondary hull was just a thin slither with the exception of that silly doorless Shuttle Bay on the bow between the naycell pylons. It should be a lot smaller with Lower Decks style accomodation. Less Galaxy Class cruise-ship, and more "We threw this thing together in a panic to fight the Klingons. You're lucky we even gave you a bed".
Definitely had bunks. We saw that with crewman Daniels (space time traveller dude)
Speaking of, where did the crew sleep in the NX-01; it seemed tiny & the compliment was what? Seems like if ever there was a titular ship from a Trek show with Bunks - it'd be the NX01
The corridors were funnier.
It would have made more sense to me if they had military style bunk dorms maybe 6 to a room, gender divided rather than corridor bunks. I suspect tours of duty on Cali class are much shorter than on other classes of ship.
Something like submarine quarters. That was the aesthetic that the Defiant and the NX-01 was going for.
In fairness, the California class is a demonstrably smaller ship class; gotta sleep folk somehow and bunks in corridors is as good a way as any, versus the ostensible portable hotels and ambassadorial institutions that would be the Galaxy class. Heck even then I'd be surprised if Ensigns didn't have some degree of "hardship" in that regard.
My head canon put its like Galaxy Class ships are top of the line in luxury. So even ensigns and cadets have rooms (maybe 2-4 peeps), so no sleeping in corridors. Smaller more cramped ships like Ceritos have sleepy corridors.
Think I remember the Excelsior had bunk rooms that resembled a warship.
The aesthetics in LD is very much in line with TNG and DS9/ VOY, instantly recognisable. They they are great job with SNW, keeping the old look with a modern twist on it.
As I was saying earlier the fact they couldn't even settle on a style was a bad sign. Even the JJ movies that I don't even count when talking about Star Trek knew what they wanted to be.
I feel all Star Trek is like that now. I love LD and like SNW but my brain doesn't in any way connect them to the universe that the TOS movies and Bermantrek was in which would be "my" Star Trek.
Obviously LD references the old shows but I don't start watching TNG and thinking people sleep in corridors.
It's crazy, I keep forgetting this show exists. Like, i'm always conscious of new Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks releases, and then every so often see a mention of Discovery, and it's like "oh yeaaah, that's a thing". It just feels so separate, off in its own little corner disconnected from everything else.
It didn't even do that very well: at least the standard CW esque shows had a semblance of structure, momentum and story arcs to work through - Discovery was too much of a mess to have any of those things.
Also it's style and feel is copying a very popular teen sci-fi/super hero template. My experience of speaking to Discovery fans would lead me to believe they are all American and have a very different idea of what is a good TV show to my tastes.
I think a lot of the most ardent defenders now like it just because of the LGBTness of it all.
I would say that the Marmite is heavily skewed in favour of dislike. I lasted 2.5 seasons and realised I was deluding myself thinking that it would improve.
They made a mistake having the central character be the universe's most important being.
Then made a mistake casting a lead who was out acted by Yeogh, Jones, Issacs, Mount, Peck, Rapp et all. This was compounded by never getting any other bridge crew screen time.
I used to watch Walking Dead and heard that they had cast the lead from it. I didn't even recognise her. The first time I paid attention was her final episode and her monologue sent warning bells ringing.
It was basically Burnham and was just as bad in TWD
Yeah, I'm not a fan of Voyager as a series but can still enjoy individual episodes as I watch it.
They took a serial premise and made it episodic but I still can enjoy it
Disco? Nope, nada, no
Yea, you could almost describe Discovery as Star Trek’s Marmite. It’s one of those things where you have total love or total hatred for it. Although for moderate souls for myself, not «total hatred» but lack of love for the show, and without that love I seem to have no patience for it either. Without patience the mistakes they make are harder to ignore and quicker to irritate.
I also agree that it is telling that they had to keep retooling the show’s concept. This is something they appeared to have nailed down early in the production of previous Trek shows:
Discovery on the other hand:
It definitely has a big following of fans who really love it but what it doesn't seem to have is fans who kinda like it. All the other Treks would be described as at least watchable regardless of your favourite but Discovery is the only one people who don't love it can't stand it.
Fans aren't really a good barometer of a show. A look at the top grossing TV shows will tell you that. I do think the fact that the Discovery team didn't even have enough faith in the show to stop constantly changing it is a very interesting barometer.
Great news terrible show.
To be fair, I was that for a while cos I think on balance Discovery had potential. But talk about squandered potential.
Also, we don't know how many younger watchers are coming at Trek from the 2009 onwards and only know Pew Pew Trek? If all you know are superficial thrills Disco might tick your boxes.
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