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Cork to Limerick rail improvements

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,299 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Is there any potential for any new or re-opened station between LK and LJ?

    Anything in suburbs of Limerick?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,299 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    I don't know much about Dub-Cork route.

    There seems to be an hourly train, departing xx:, with the first stop in Portlaoise, and then various stops to Cork.

    Are you suggesting there is enough demand for double this per hour?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,079 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    New station has already been announced for Ballysimon in Limerick.

    Pity they don't also want to reopen somewhere like Oola.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 610 ✭✭✭TheSunIsShining


    Same experience. Trains are full on the Cork to Dublin and Dublin at peak times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,601 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    Yes easily, overcrowding has become an issue at peak times and rest of the day its completely full trains



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,927 ✭✭✭AngryLips


    In addition to more services between Cork-Dublin, I think more services direct between Tralee/Limerick-Dublin would also provide massive relief for the Cork-Dublin service.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,392 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Irish Rail themselves say they want to go to every 30 minutes frequency on the Cork to Dublin route. It is mentioned both in the All Island Rail Review and I remember the CEO of IR saying it in a newspaper article.

    It wouldn’t just be traffic from Cork, it stops at Limerick Junction, so takes on passengers from Limerick and at Mallow, so takes on passengers from Killarney and Tralee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,079 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    My experience of off peak on the Limerick to Cork/Dublin is definitely not "completely full trains".

    I always have a 2 seater to myself or 2 at a 4 seater if not a 4 seater to myself.

    The only full carriages are the ones close to the entrance barrier because people are shockingly lazy.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,392 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Typically transport planning is done around peak time services and capacity, rather than off peak. Perhaps they could get away with every 30 minutes for just the peak services and hourly off peak, would reduce the fleet requirements.

    To be honest, I don’t personally know how crowded it is, I stopped taking the train and take the intercity coaches now. 20 years ago when I use to regularly take the Dublin to Cork train every Friday evening, it was jammed with many people standing the whole way.

    The new motorways and the new intercity coach services seem to drastically reduce that demand, but sounds like it is generally picking up again. I do think there should be no standing on the intercity trains, I don’t think it is good enough paying the high fares of intercity and still not get a seat. It is one reason I take coach instead, always guaranteed instead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,079 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I'm not arguing for or against more trains. Just pointing out that the comment "completely full trains" is not right.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,927 ✭✭✭AngryLips


    Except that intercity train fares are incredibly cheap now...



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,392 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    It certainly has gotten better then the past when you'd pay €70+ for a single walk up fare to Cork. And yes, I know online fares.

    I'd assume thanks to competition from the intercity coach services. Competition is always good for the consumer.

    If I'm travelling tomorrow I'm paying €32 one way, I simply don't think it is acceptable to stand. And yes I know they have reservations, but issues with enforcement of that continue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 610 ✭✭✭TheSunIsShining


    At it's most simple, the population has, and is continuing to increase, a lot. So all things being equal, if the provision of services doesn't keep up and also increase, then those services will be under more pressure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,927 ✭✭✭AngryLips


    Yea totally agree nobody should be standing on intercity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,079 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    How do you know issues with enforcement continue when you haven't used the trains in 20 years. I have never seen someone not move and anyway if you are the 32e walk up you will be on the non booked carriage.

    Travelling today is 32 vs 25 but very few are travelling that way and most will be on the cheaper fare. Added to that I haven't seen anyone standing on an intercity train in a long time except a few teenagers too shy to share a table.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,018 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,079 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Ah ya "my friend says".

    A well known reliable source 😜



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,018 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    i meant other boards users who, have given our own experiences of train travel in ireland over the years.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,894 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Oola, Palasgreen, Boher, Monard are all towns that they could reopen stations on the line easily and cheaply. The problem is that if you add 5 minutes to each station the train can become significantly slower than driving for the people wanting to go from Limerick-Cork or Limerick-Dublin



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,079 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Opening all of them would be an issue. And it wouldn't really be opening with the intention of serving Cork or Dublin but as a commuter stop into Limerick.

    Thing about Oola compared to most other options is the track is actually in the village. Far too many rural stations are out of town.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,894 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    A good solution there would be to run a Limerick commuter line stopping at these stations running between Limerick and LJ with the intercity line running straight through these stations on dedicated tracks if needed

    A good solution for Limerick-Cork would be to build a railway line in tandem with the new motorway - if the new motorway ever becomes a reality that is



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭alias no.9


    Are any of those significant enough catchments for a station? Never mind the fact that that Monard is 2km from Limerick Junction. Eliminating bottlenecks and delays between Colbert and Limerick Junction as well as at Limerick Junction should be the intercity priority rather than adding delays.

    The Foynes line makes much more sense for commuter services in Limerick than mixing commuter and intercity on a line with limited population density.

    A through service from Adare to Sixmile Bridge with a new spur to Shannon and Shannon Airport could be the best investment in Limerick commuter rail if a little messy switching direction between Colbert and Foynes line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,894 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Are any of those significant enough catchments for a station?

    No. But if stations are built there will the catchment increase? Will the catchment area be big enough to support these new stations naturally by the time they are built?

    Adare is a bottleneck at the moment and no doubt the lack of a railway line in the area doesn't help but if we want that fixed the line would have to extend beyond Adare to Foynes, Tralee, Killarney etc because that's where all the cars are coming from (and going to)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭alias no.9


    The Foynes line is in play because it's being reinstated, there's little beyond Adare to support a commuter service other than maybe a park and ride west of Adare. The North Kerry line is never coming back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,894 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Not an auful idea on the P&R, abbeyfeale, rathkeale and Newcastlewest would disagree with your other statement though lol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭alias no.9




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,894 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian




  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,392 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    First of all I use to take the train almost weekly between Cork and Dublin until the intercity coach services started up 10 years ago. That was still mostly Mark 4’s and had loads of problems with seat reservations and frequently having to stand.

    Since then, I do take the train once or twice a year Dublin to Killarney. BTW I of course use the Dart and less frequently Dublin commuter services, even taken the nice scenic ride to Fota and Cobh down in Cork.

    My better half also takes the train a couple of times a year and she has multiple recent experiences of not being able to take her reserved seat, which really sucks as she has a really bad but not visible ankle injury.

    As others have said plenty of complaints from other posters over on the C&T forum.

    As a person who doesn’t own a car, but travels around the country quiet a bit, I think I’ve a pretty good grasp of what public transport is like all around Ireland and what the different services are like. I can’t say I’ve travelled on every single service, but I’ve likely travelled on a greater variety than most people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,207 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    At the endpoints it's usually OK (Dublin, Cork) but on the branch networks (Tralee line, Limerick line) all bets are off. I suspect that's why both you and the other poster are describing differing experiences.

    This is also why many people (myself included) would like to see through-running Cork to Limerick. That train change in LJ is a recipe for stress without allocated seating. I've no problem changing on short distance journeys, but with longer journeys the seating allocations don't always work very well.

    This isn't an Irish phenomenon and happens in other countries too, the Germans can be awful, sitting in your allocated seat and refusing to move.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,834 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Famous fallacy is "you've heard bad things happen there but you never go there so how would you know."

    There's the internet, you can look it up, ask people you know, it's not hard.



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